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Off Topic Rain + Roundabouts + GP Skinny Tyres = not good

Snapping away sideways sounds more like you hit a patch of spilt diesel to me. I once had a big sideways moment at about 15mph, couldn't believe it so walked back and saw the oily film on the road.

It was rather close to the petty station I'll admit, I cant see how spilt diesel could get that far, The roundabout closer to the station is terrible however.

Lift off oversteer perhaps! My gp can get this sometimes even when driving slow in greasy or very wet weather. You'll learn which different road surfaces that have different amounts grip around where you live as you go along but it sounds to me the tyres aren't helping matters either. Good luck with the repairs

Sam

Me and my mates coined it death roundabout haha! It's known to be a bad one, and so are most roundabouts where i live actually, there's been some sort of death/write off on most of them, just annoying how other cars can take them fine and I try my best and I'm cautious but I still get ****ed over
 
Hey Kyle, did you go and have a look to see if there was spilt fuel?

Also, if you don't apply throttle when turning the car will lose traction at the rear as the weight of the car will shift to the front (lift off oversteer), if you use too much it will understeer. Ultimately though, if you are driving slow enough neither will matter or will be needed!

"had low speed, no gas while turning slightly, but still the car completely lost it"
 
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Agreed, but don't just look at the brand, as some "named brand" tyres still have suprisingly pants wet grip performance.
Look at reviews and look at the EU ratings before you make a choice on tyres...

I've seen some good Kumhos that are good priced and A rated for wet performance, and a B for fuel efficiency which is nice also.

With the repairs costing 800-900 though it's going to take a while haha
 
Some good tires are definitely on the list, and so are some 17's ...

Your intended 205/45R17 may not have helped – maybe just bigger skateboards. We’ve had a fair amount of rain lately & lots of patches of floating dirt & oil about – take a look at the different surface colour of inside & outside lanes.

If you’d have hit anybody – then you’d be making a claim. If you’d have hit anybody in a 1.2/8v with 205/45R17 heavies on-the-quiet - then the insurance assessor may have had some bad news for you.

Don’t dwell on it - nature or weather tends to make a prat of us all.

221208Z
 
Hey Kyle, did you go and have a look to see if there was spilt fuel?

Also, if you don't apply throttle when turning the car will lose traction (lift off oversteer), if you use too much it will understeer. Ultimately though, if you are driving slow enough neither will matter or will be needed!

I didn't actually, however the roundabout didn't affect other traffic which I would expect spilt fuel to do that, and even though the station is just round the corner it's still a bit far IMO

And that is my logic also, didn't work this time round however haha
 
I didn't actually, however the roundabout didn't affect other traffic which I would expect spilt fuel to do that, and even though the station is just round the corner it's still a bit far IMO

And that is my logic also, didn't work this time round however haha

Hmm fair enough.

Aye, it seems counter intuitive to apply throttle when going round a corner, I suppose you could do left foot braking to keep the car in balance at the same time? ;)

Dario Franchetti: "It is amazing how many people even in F1 that think the brakes are for slowing the car down"
 
Not the first time i've heard of a GP going a wander on a roundabout, infact my old mk2b used to do it aswell maybe its a Punto thing, even my GP 1.9 is a bit tail happy with the lift off oversteer, my advice would be to fit a good set of tyres and take extra caution when approaching corners in the rain, I live in scotland and have to make massive changes in my driving style when it rains because I know if I don't the car wouldn't last long

Cheers
 
Your intended 205/45R17 may not have helped – maybe just bigger skateboards. We’ve had a fair amount of rain lately & lots of patches of floating dirt & oil about – take a look at the different surface colour of inside & outside lanes.

If you’d have hit anybody – then you’d be making a claim. If you’d have hit anybody in a 1.2/8v with 205/45R17 heavies on-the-quiet - then the insurance assessor may have had some bad news for you.

Don’t dwell on it - nature or weather tends to make a prat of us all.

221208Z
Aye, I'm glad no other car was involved, theres a lot of reasons they could chose to not pay out when you look at my car, not something I'm proud of, I just don't see the need to declare the fiat go faster kit to pay an extra 100-200 on my premium for example. I pay them bloody enough as it is!

Hmm fair enough.

Aye, it seems counter intuitive to apply throttle when going round a corner, I suppose you could do left foot braking to keep the car in balance at the same time? ;)

Dario Franchetti: "It is amazing how many people even in F1 that think the brakes are for slowing the car down"

There was probably lots of things i could have done and I could have probably ended up with a untouched car, I know some of my mates would have ended up like that, however There's not much more I could of done, If I could go back and prefect the recovery I would haha :D
Good quote btw

Not the first time i've heard of a GP going a wander on a roundabout, infact my old mk2b used to do it aswell maybe its a Punto thing, even my GP 1.9 is a bit tail happy with the lift off oversteer, my advice would be to fit a good set of tyres and take extra caution when approaching corners in the rain, I live in scotland and have to make massive changes in my driving style when it rains because I know if I don't the car wouldn't last long

Cheers

Yes I thought I was the only one, it's understeers whenever there is rain, it under steered on a gentle bend in the wet, not even rain. It's horrible, and quite frankly unsafe.
Good tyres are on the lift after I have got through £900 of repairs, maybe I just need to be that annoying old granny that holds the traffic up doing half the speed limit, if it saves my car I couldn't care less about the people behind me :p
 
Come off it, we all know you tried pulling the handbrake up. ;)

Just kidding mate, never brake whilst cornering always try to keep your foot on the throttle even if it's just a little.

Dom
 
I was being a little naughty earlier and booted my car around a roundabout (bearing in mind there are 130bhps (supposidly) under my bonnet) and i was on cheap tires and my car went exactly where i pointed it although i learnt how to drive in wet weather and somewhat like driving in the rain :)

Hope there isnt any hiden damage though from the pictures it just looks like your gonna need a new bumper (not a good thing in any case) bu at least your ok thats the main thing, bumpers can be replaced legs, arms and heads can not.

Jordan.
 
however I don't see the problem with how I took the roundabout, i drove into it and took the straightest rout possible, had low speed, no gas while turning slightly, but still the car completely lost it...

Having just a bit of gas whilst turning is actually better especially for FWD cars as it settles and balances the car out

Of course this means your entry speed into the bend/corner must be a bit slower than you think to allow for this!
 
maybe I just need to be that annoying old granny that holds the traffic up doing half the speed limit, if it saves my car I couldn't care less about the people behind me :p

Seem to be quoting you a lot kyle96... But I'm not telling you off, just trying to increase your awareness a bit...

Driving slower doesn't make you safer on the road... It's just as dangerous as driving fast! What makes you safer on the road is driving at a speed dependent on the conditions of the road and what's around you!

You seem a bit keen to listen to advice and learn so If you're willing to massively improve your skill on the road, look for and join your local IAM group!
 
Sounds like OP has just been unfortunate and lost it. Probably lack of experience and poor tires, the fact no other motorists had issues means only one thing unfortunately.

What don't kill you makes you stronger, use it as a learning curve. Expecially as winter is coming. Winter tyres Might be a very worth investment ;)
 
Agreed, but don't just look at the brand, as some "named brand" tyres still have suprisingly pants wet grip performance.
Look at reviews and look at the EU ratings before you make a choice on tyres...

I would take many of the EU ratings with a pinch of salt if you read up on how the EU tests labeling actually work.

Firstly the noise thing is completely pointless as most mid to premium range tyres will all be about the same.

Secondly, the wet braking is done in a straight line where as the formal tests like those featured on tyre review are done in corners where the understeer/oversteer and braking come into play much more.

Thirdly, grip levels I know some very grippy tyres like Pilot Sport 3's score terribly for this, but the grip level and general braking ability is excellently. I would prefer to have grip in place of a few MPG.

Furthermore, the labels do not cover so many other vital areas of tyre requirements they seem to overly focused in the EU's drive for efficiency if I am being brutal (which I am). In this regard to add to this the eco tyres that were tested in one video not so long back actually took longer in a wet braking test than some part worns...

The final issue is that manufacturers actually carry these tests out.

Your intended 205/45R17 may not have helped – maybe just bigger skateboards. We’ve had a fair amount of rain lately & lots of patches of floating dirt & oil about – take a look at the different surface colour of inside & outside lanes.

If you’d have hit anybody – then you’d be making a claim. If you’d have hit anybody in a 1.2/8v with 205/45R17 heavies on-the-quiet - then the insurance assessor may have had some bad news for you.

Don’t dwell on it - nature or weather tends to make a prat of us all.

221208Z

I totally agree with that point on the tyre size.

Aye, I'm glad no other car was involved, theres a lot of reasons they could chose to not pay out when you look at my car, not something I'm proud of, I just don't see the need to declare the fiat go faster kit to pay an extra 100-200 on my premium for example. I pay them bloody enough as it is!

Unfortunately (I am also surprised by no one else picking this up), that the "attitude" being exhibited could land you in the real doggy do do either declare them (following checking) or getting a better insurer. You don't know clearly what they will class as a modification or not so are making assumptions.

Car insurance is not something to be taken lightly. Fact is in doing the modifications (if you have declared it as a "standard factory finish" car) making the modifications is changing the terms on which the insurance is made in a contract.

In not declaring them you risk breaching that contract and them potentially cancelling your insurance paying for any damage to a third party (they have to legally) and coming to you for the money. Added to this is the potential for you not having VALID insurance cover and the issue with the police and the other issue and knock on is many insurers will ask you to declare if you have ever had car insurance cancelled which if the above happened and they did cancel it would mean you could find it very difficult (at extortionate rate worse than now) or virtually impossible to find car insurance to cover yourself to drive a car.

I know some might pipe up and say about the Insurance Ombudsmen but lets not go down that road as it is a risk in itself. I know they must prove that it effected the performance blah blah...but clearly tyres would potentially in the above for example.
 
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Agreed, but don't just look at the brand, as some "named brand" tyres still have suprisingly pants wet grip performance.
Look at reviews and look at the EU ratings before you make a choice on tyres...

I wouldn't put too much stock by the eu ratings the only test for specific things, rolling resistance, noise and braking in a straight line in the wet. Some companies are already making tyres that while they perform well according to the eu are crap all round, The latest michelin especially is excellent according to eu rating but apparently crap at things like wet cornering and braking when tested by magazines.

When I bought some new tyres recently found this useful
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk
gives magazine test results and owners views in one place.
 
Come off it, we all know you tried pulling the handbrake up. ;)

Just kidding mate, never brake whilst cornering always try to keep your foot on the throttle even if it's just a little.

Dom

I didn't know this about keeping my foot on the gas a little, duly noted ;) I always assumed giving the front wheels too much to do is bad however.

I was being a little naughty earlier and booted my car around a roundabout (bearing in mind there are 130bhps (supposidly) under my bonnet) and i was on cheap tires and my car went exactly where i pointed it although i learnt how to drive in wet weather and somewhat like driving in the rain :)

Hope there isnt any hiden damage though from the pictures it just looks like your gonna need a new bumper (not a good thing in any case) bu at least your ok thats the main thing, bumpers can be replaced legs, arms and heads can not.

Jordan.

Indeed I only need a new bumper, I got it checked over. I'm lucky it's just the bumper however the bumper plus the headlight and painting and such has run up just under 1k which isn't very good now is it.
And yes thats true :)

Get that front crash beam inspected looks a bit bent on the passenger side to me (its designed to bend and collapse also check the chassis leg weak points arnt mangled )

I got the car checked over and the crash beam is fine to be left, it's been done in a bit still, not enough to warrent a full replacement.

Sounds like OP has just been unfortunate and lost it. Probably lack of experience and poor tires, the fact no other motorists had issues means only one thing unfortunately.

What don't kill you makes you stronger, use it as a learning curve. Expecially as winter is coming. Winter tyres Might be a very worth investment ;)

Yeah, I mostly just lost the plot however much I tried to control it. I agree with you, It was probably down to experience mostly, I'm sure lots of people could have managed it better.
And yes, every roundabout I take I take with caution, hopefully that pays off 5th time lucky, or 2nd time seriously lucky. (under steered 5 times, crashed twice)
 
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