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Off Topic Heavy Rain and Wheel Spin
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Off Topic Heavy Rain and Wheel Spin
see the 2nd one? might pass good on straight line test, but go round a corner in the rain with them and you end up with no car, they dont call them ditch finders for nothing, the other are all on my never buy list already, they have a very hard compound
I think you are right there Dave. I have some sort of Michelin Eco crap on the car they get a wet rating of B which I was very surprised about they are mega eco and I can easily get 65+ MPG, but they have worn fairly quick, they are pathetic in anything other than baking hot weather with sticky tarmac, they are horrible on colder / slighty damp days and very unpredictable in the wet even at slow speeds. That said they do stop the car exceptionaly well even in very very heavy rain! They get
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Still, there are decent tyres to be had for 120 or 130 quid which is a way away from 175!
You are the only person I've ever seen on the internet who does this whole "there are certain tyres that if they get a stone in them are useless" routine.
Methinks that it's a myth.....
After reading all this my car must be a death trap, stones in my tread (park on gravel a lot) and I have 3 different brands of tyre fitted to the car right now, matching fronts and two separate brands on the rear....
when it becomes common knowledge remember you heard it here first then,
Well... -- this page says...
Tires full of stones are less than ideal. However, there is nothing you can do about it. If you get very sharp stones wedged in there they can cause a puncture, so getting them out is a good idea. Certain tread and sipe patterns tend to grab more stones than others. I would check the tire pressures: Under-inflated tires will grab more pebbles than a harder tire.
And this one...Winter (snow) tires are made using very soft compounds, and they inherently "pickup" road debris (small stones, sand particles, etc.). The tread design is also a factor. I ran Blizzaks until this year when I went with Dunlop snow tires. Looking at the two tires, I believe that Blizzaks clear debris better than the Dunlops. I think it has to do with the tread design. I like the way the Dunlop snows drive better than the Blizzaks, but the Blizzaks self-clear a little better.
I'm sure I could find plenty more examples if I wanted to... -- but I have better things to do with my time...! Sorry, dave: you're not quite the prophet we all thought you were! How my expectations have been dashed! I shall now go and sit, quietly sobbing, in a dark corner, somewhere....
Firstly Holy Multi-Quote BATMAN!
I cannot use 225/40 they rub slightly I have been told, its annoying as they are normally £50 a corner cheaper!! but thanks for the information I will have a look around.
A stone will stop the water from draining/moving along the tyre so it will affect how much water is between the tread block and the road
I loved TR-1s when I had them on one of my cars, for a mid range the wet grip is brilliant, however the tread pattern makes them really lethal in the wet when they are 1/2 worn as the V just pushes water up and collects even more until you are lifted on top of the water itself, its really easy to aquaplane and I rate my SC3 better for actually moving water from the road.
I asked about the Falkens, you said no so the cheapest was £175, the next winter tyre at £130 was a Falken and then £105 Falken as well.... Are you changing your mind??
A stone will stop the water from draining/moving along the tyre channel so it will affect how much water is between the tread block and the road and give you more chance of having less grip, I would expect it to be comparable to having a few less mm of tread in certain conditions (I have no proof though, just assuming the channel capacity of new vs worn tyres and the stone having the same affect). It would not make a tyre "useless" it would affect its ability to remove the water and give a better contact patch with the road though
Lastly, you get what you pay for!! You also drive to the conditions of your tyres and their capabilities. Knowing you have ditch finders means you are slower in corners and leave a bigger braking gap I would expect/hope. Yes cheap tyres are worse at handling and braking, even a little bit, but how you drive and how much you like to spend is completely up to anyone and lets leave it at that before we do a cheap/expensive tyre war!!!!
I cannot use 225/40 they rub slightly I have been told, its annoying as they are normally £50 a corner cheaper!! but thanks for the information I will have a look around.
A stone will stop the water from draining/moving along the tyre so it will affect how much water is between the tread block and the road
I loved TR-1s when I had them on one of my cars, for a mid range the wet grip is brilliant, however the tread pattern makes them really lethal in the wet when they are 1/2 worn as the V just pushes water up and collects even more until you are lifted on top of the water itself, its really easy to aquaplane and I rate my SC3 better for actually moving water from the road.
I asked about the Falkens, you said no so the cheapest was £175, the next winter tyre at £130 was a Falken and then £105 Falken as well.... Are you changing your mind??
A stone will stop the water from draining/moving along the tyre channel so it will affect how much water is between the tread block and the road and give you more chance of having less grip, I would expect it to be comparable to having a few less mm of tread in certain conditions (I have no proof though, just assuming the channel capacity of new vs worn tyres and the stone having the same affect). It would not make a tyre "useless" it would affect its ability to remove the water and give a better contact patch with the road though
Lastly, you get what you pay for!! You also drive to the conditions of your tyres and their capabilities. Knowing you have ditch finders means you are slower in corners and leave a bigger braking gap I would expect/hope. Yes cheap tyres are worse at handling and braking, even a little bit, but how you drive and how much you like to spend is completely up to anyone and lets leave it at that before we do a cheap/expensive tyre war!!!!
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On the plus, wheel spinning makes you look like a badass and attracts all the woman.
Look around
-> http://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rs...by=preis_down&Transport=P&dsco=110&sowigan=WiJust remember that although there is a cost to winter tyres, which unfortunately for you is quite high! It does mean that your summer tyres last longer, so if you hold onto the car for any length of time you will either break even or actually end up better off. The first time you drive in snow when everyone else can't get out of their street then the cost seems somewhat irrelevant
The 500 was only limited to where it could go by ground clearance
When the snow was piled up in the work car park there was a period where I got parked by the door for a good week or so because no one else could get into this space
Obviously a stone will affect the ability of a tyre to shed water to some extent, but unless the tread has craploads of stones in it I doubt it's going to make a huge difference.
Well... -- this page says...
Tires full of stones are less than ideal. However, there is nothing you can do about it. If you get very sharp stones wedged in there they can cause a puncture, so getting them out is a good idea. Certain tread and sipe patterns tend to grab more stones than others. I would check the tire pressures: Under-inflated tires will grab more pebbles than a harder tire.And this one...
Winter (snow) tires are made using very soft compounds, and they inherently "pickup" road debris (small stones, sand particles, etc.). The tread design is also a factor. I ran Blizzaks until this year when I went with Dunlop snow tires. Looking at the two tires, I believe that Blizzaks clear debris better than the Dunlops. I think it has to do with the tread design. I like the way the Dunlop snows drive better than the Blizzaks, but the Blizzaks self-clear a little better.I'm sure I could find plenty more examples if I wanted to... -- but I have better things to do with my time...!
Sorry, @dave: you're not quite the prophet we all thought you were! How my expectations have been dashed! I shall now go and sit, quietly sobbing, in a dark corner, somewhere....
And the thing is that sometimes you want the tread to hold onto stuff as well. The sipes in winter tyres are designed to spread and trap snow because snow on snow or ice gives more friction than rubber on snow or ice.
The tread holding onto things isn't always a negative
price i posted wasnt for a 225
Vredestein Wintrac xtreme
"designed to protect you"
215/45 R17 91V XL with rim protection ridge
only £ 123.20 on my tyres delivered. fitting you should be able to find for £10 a wheel all in
And the thing is that sometimes you want the tread to hold onto stuff as well. The sipes in winter tyres are designed to spread and trap snow because snow on snow or ice gives more friction than rubber on snow or ice.
The tread holding onto things isn't always a negative
the tyre i posted wasn't a winter tyre it was nearly 300 quid supposed to be good in rain tyre. posted because some one said the best tyres are with ones with the highest price!
i posted the picture to try and make it more clear what tyres are the worst if you get a stone in them, its the ones with a bead that goes all the way arount the tyre, winters ive seen dont have that dreaded bead
Double mix up there dave, you said 225/45/R18 in the top partprice i posted wasnt for a 225
Vredestein Wintrac xtreme
"designed to protect you"
215/45 R17 91V XL with rim protection ridge
only £ 123.20 on my tyres delivered. fitting you should be able to find for £10 a wheel all in
and I said 225/40/R17 so I have combined the above and both my tyre ratings!!
225/40/R17 is a strange size so makes them more expencive, id just change the set for the more common size if it was my car, thinner tyres are better for snow
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When the snow was piled up in the work car park there was a period where I got parked by the door for a good week or so because no one else could get into this space
Loving the Monster Truck style Parking
not really been following this thread but am finding it hilarious how long a discussion about wheel spinning on a wet road can go on for
of course if the road is wet you're going to have less grip and thus be more inclined to lose traction than in comparison to a dry road
someone mentioned winter tyres though, threads never die after that
