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Kinda new ish and hardly used this forum so forgive me if this has been covered.

Ive seen a few people mention about wobble bolts for when wheels arnt the exact size as the hubs. Due to my first year of driving my alloys (forgive me) have been curbed and will be getting refurbed soon, so i want to slap some steels on in the mean time.

I can get my hands on some 4x98 off an old punto and know that mines a 100pcd so do wobble bolts work just as they would when upsizing the wheels but for downsizing my hubs to acomadate the 98's instead? If that makes sence.

Thanks in advance
 
yep, work both ways. A problem may be offset, or ET. I presume you have a Grande Punto with the 4x100 pattern?

Also, tyres may also be an issue. I will elaborate when not on my phone
 
Firstly welcome to the forum, glad to see you've read up on PCD and wobble bolts.

Using wobble bolts you'll be fine using 4x98 wheels.

The offset won't really matter so don't worry about that. One thing I will suggest is when you fit them, make sure the brake caliper clears the inside of the wheel and doesn't catch.
 
ascott92 said:
I presume you have a Grande Punto with the 4x100 pattern?
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And once again my phone makes me look like a clot...

Anyway, the problem with offset is if it is too high, you may catch the inside of your arch. I don't know the offsets of them, so I can't tell.

The tyres though will need to be both the correct diameter and load rating for your car. You can and most likely will invalidate your insurance should you have an accident while using the steel wheels if the load rating is insufficient. Also, if the diameter is different to your current wheels, the speedo will be out.
 
smokeyjoe03 said:
Unless you're putting 18" steels on they won't catch.........load rating will be fine and speed will barely be out as the tyre profile usually accounts for the wheel diameter.
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Do you know what offset is? Size makes no difference.

Also, just a quick nosey around the forum, 165/65R14 is a tyre size for an old Punto, rated 79T. A GP M-JET Sporting has 205/45R17, 88W tyres. Search Google for a tyre diameter calculator and compare.

These aren't from another Grande Punto he's getting them from, so all this needs to be checked...you're giving potentially dangerous and costly advice.
 
Wackyracer said:
... I can get my hands on some 4x98 off an old punto ...
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Why bother? How difficult can it be to “get your hands on” a genuine GP (or Corsa-D?) steel set - given the planet is full of folks who can’t sleep with OCD over changing steel to alloy wheels?

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ascott92 said:
Do you know what offset is? Size makes no difference.
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My point was, regardless of the size, even if the offset was that negative that it pushed the wheels out of the arches, you won't catch the tyre on the arch, the arches are too big.

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about if you think a steel wheel will catch on an arch of a car that hasn't been lowered..........:bang:
 
smokeyjoe03 said:
My point was, regardless of the size, even if the offset was that negative that it pushed the wheels out of the arches, you won't catch the tyre on the arch, the arches are too big.

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about if you think a steel wheel will catch on an arch of a car that hasn't been lowered..........:bang:
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too big an offset will rub on inner arch even if not lowered
 
lukemortlock7 said:
They won't, the arch won't be anywhere near the wheel. grande punto's sit stupidly high when not lowered so even with a high offset there is a very very small chance of them rubbing.
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Absolutely correct, unless they are 18" + in diameter or 9j+ in width, or have 120 profile tyres, you're not going to get near the Grande's arches, even on full lock.

And considering the OP was after steel wheels I doubt they are going to be that big. Max 15"x7j, will be lost in those arches, even with a huge negative offset.
 
lukemortlock7 said:
They won't, the arch won't be anywhere near the wheel. grande punto's sit stupidly high when not lowered so even with a high offset there is a very very small chance of them rubbing.
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hight has nothing to do with offset, if its too great not only can it rub on full lock but may also fail the spring, if offset is too small wheel will sit out side of arch and be ilegal
 
smokeyjoe03 said:
My point was, regardless of the size, even if the offset was that negative that it pushed the wheels out of the arches, you won't catch the tyre on the arch, the arches are too big.

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about if you think a steel wheel will catch on an arch of a car that hasn't been lowered..........:bang:
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As Dave said, height of car has nat all to do with offset. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, full stop.
 
I never said the offset has anything to do with the height. I said the two combined can cause problems.

Offset is how far in or out the wheels sit from the hub.......if the wheels offset is negative the wheels are pushed out towards the arches.

If the car wheel is turned on full lock there is a chance the tyre may catch the arch (this is very unlikely on the Grande as the arches are cavernous).

HOWEVER if the car has been lowered, the arch is brought closer to the wheel, so when on full lock the tyre has MORE chance of catching the arch if its sitting further from the hub........what don't you understand?

Lower car >> arches are closer to tyre >> tyre catches easier.

Offset, wheels width, tyre size, ride height, camber and spacing.......they all effect stance. Stance is how the wheels sit in the arches.........

I see your point about offset meaning the wheels can catch, for example............

I have 7.5jx17" wheels on the back of my car, lowered on Eibach Sportlines. If I add 20mm spacers (basically boosts the offset as it pushes the wheel out) there is a large risk of the tyre catching the arch whenever I hit a bump in the road. If I don't add spacers and leave it as it is, my wheels won't catch, they sit inside the arch.......so offset makes a huge difference. I agree.

But........

the OP was talking about steel wheels. The maximum size he will be fitting is 7jx15"......even if the offset is negative to the point that the tyre sits outside the arch (which is illegal) it STILL won't catch on the arches (front or back) on full lock......The wheels are too small and the arches are too big.

If the offset is that negative that the tyre is sitting out of the arch the only part of the tyre that can catch the arch will be the top, and then only if the car has been lowered.......standard ride height is just too big, even on speedbumps there's enough room for the suspension to travel without the tyre catching the arch.

Thats what I meant by negative offset only being a problem if the car has been lowered. (Unless the wheels are huge, which they won't be as they are steels)
 
Thanks for all the replies im sorry i didnt reply sooner, alas still not fixed my alloys, looks like i might just get myself some new ones for christmas :D
 
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