And contrary to what you think, were not all idiots, my car is still under fiat warranty and they confirmed my cam belt needs to be changed when it's 4 years old . So I won't end up "like the op" as my car is always serviced at main dealer at appropriate intervals for my specific engine which is 18k or 12months, whichever is first and 4 years or 72k for cam belt.

Isnt the 1.9 JTD the same as the Vauxhall 1.9 CDTi? I know the Vauxhall is a Fiat engine. As above water pump goosed and trashed the belt. On the VX 1.9 you can often get away with just some broken rockers (£20 each) as long as it wasn't at speed.

Hi,
Sorry to hear that, sounds like pump went and after letting it cool down belt has gone when you tried to restart and valves are now against pistons hence starter clicking but hey who knows really without seeing so I would go to garage and ask to see that belt has gone but it might not have done as much damage as you think if it was still running when you stopped
lez:bang:

DasArab said:

Isnt the 1.9 JTD the same as the Vauxhall 1.9 CDTi? I know the Vauxhall is a Fiat engine. As above water pump goosed and trashed the belt. On the VX 1.9 you can often get away with just some broken rockers (£20 each) as long as it wasn't at speed.

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I think the engine is shared in vauxhalls and saabs with the 1.9 8v variant. Comes in 120-130bhp

Engine may have seized if temp hit max, and coolant stopped moving, hence why engine won't start. Hope it's not as bad as that tho!

DasArab said:

Isnt the 1.9 JTD the same as the Vauxhall 1.9 CDTi? I know the Vauxhall is a Fiat engine. As above water pump goosed and trashed the belt. On the VX 1.9 you can often get away with just some broken rockers (£20 each) as long as it wasn't at speed.

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matty_oakley said:

I think the engine is shared in vauxhalls and saabs with the 1.9 8v variant. Comes in 120-130bhp

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Oh. Not sure if the 8v has the rockers that break, the same as the 16v does.

Odd issue, but if you guys have to change the belt so early on then thats pretty dissapointing!

There might be one (Risky i'd say if the engine is already damaged/siezed, and could cause more damage to other things perhaps), you could attempt a rolling/push/bump start, just a suggestion but just to see if you could get the engine to turn over (But not start ofc) just to see if its siezed!, need to get it checked out really, shame this happened.

Sit in car, ignition on, put in second, clutch in, get friend to push you a bit, dump the clutch (Dont know if this works on diesels, does on petrols though!)

Manual states not to bump start as it can damage your cat, best thing op can do is take cam belt cover off, see if belt is still tensioned, if so, get it to a garage before anything makes it worse.

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Manual states not to bump start as it can damage your cat, best thing op can do is take cam belt cover off, see if belt is still tensioned, if so, get it to a garage before anything makes it worse.

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Yeah, was kinda why i was trying to scare him as well as advise him too most my manuals in my cars have said this, but at the moment my marea has a leaky injector and a stuck open thermostat which can cause cat problems too from what i hear (Fuel leaking into cat etc etc), but haven't noticed the cat acting toooooo strange, just a bit rougher (Heat shield a bit rattly), it was just to see if engine was siezed really, but i agree, cam belt cover off, check the tension, and try not to electronically start it before you knack the starter too haha!

if it was my car i'd 1.. remove covers at the timing belt and have a look ,will see if it has snapped ,or jumped teeth depending on how the water pump has failed..2 if timing is ok and the pump looks fine ,i'd try turning the engine over by hand ,if i can get 2 revoloutions out it fine ,renew pump and belt ..if not then head off....there is a chance that if the engine turns over by hand that there could be unseen damage internally, as a piston may have picked up in the cylinder ,scoring the bores ,or even melting a piston,if the engine was well and truly roasted

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so god knows where you get 46 k From. It's 4 years or 72k

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the people who make the belts

Enginge has been stripped and its worse case scenario really. All 8 valves are gubbed. need a new water pump as well as it had frozen causing the problem. Have also to get a valve lifter as the one in the block is destroyed. Fun and games!

Ouch Gav, sounds bad!

What you gonna do? New engine or repair?

its in the process of being repared. i dont know if i would have been cheaper for a new engine or not. tried to look around but not with much luck. Pain in the arse.

Glad your getting it sorted though. Just the head needing sorted?

Your right, pain in the arse.

Il be getting my belts done soon, im due it aswell.

Trying to look on the bright side you could say that repairing the engine will be better for re-sale value (no one need know it happened) than a new engine (with a different engine code to that on the paperwork).

Ouch.

A harsh reminder for us to change the belts, waterpumps and pulleys slightly before they're due.

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Its 5 years old done 37000 miles.

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17 Gav said:

need a new water pump as well as it had frozen causing the problem.

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If the car is still close to it's 5th Birthday (ie under 5.5 years old) i'd be speaking to Fiat about it. If you're getting it repaired outside the dealer network then i wouldn't expect them to foot the bill, but a contribution in the form of service/parts vouchers for a couple of hundred quid wouldn't go amiss.

Fiat's cambelt intervals might be realistic if it wern't for the waterpumps, but their waterpumps do seem to be developing abit of a reputation for being short-lived, particularly on diesels. Therefore people are wise to suggest slightly earlier changes.

However, if the manual states 5 years/90,000 miles, then failure shouldn't occur before that, regardless of whether it's the belt or pump that causes the failure. I'm fairly cautious, but given your low mileage i probably wouldn't have been in a desperate rush to get the belt replaced yet, and given that it was the waterpump that failed, i can bet the manual doesn't say anything about a replacement of this at the cambelt change time anyway. Therefore a belt change as per the book wouldn't have made a jot of difference. With that in mind i'd say you're quite within your rights to make abit of a fuss.

If you don't ask you don't get.

Liam

How has the pump frozen? It's no where near cold enough yet or do you mean seized?

Amazes me why they even use timing belts on this class of engine when the competition use chains that last 200,000miles without servicing...

ChrisUK said:

chains that last 200,000miles without servicing...

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this guys only lasted 130487 https://www.fiatforum.com/doblo/285111-time-chain-break-unbeliveable.html

good thing with chains was they used to start making a racket before they went giving you some warning, but with today's modern cars being all sound proofed you probably wouldn't hear it