dholmes2407
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Yea thats what i wrote earlier but feels like i am just throwing money away
... think that is the way i am going to have to go though
Technical 1.9 mjet bigger injectors
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Technical 1.9 mjet bigger injectors
Yea thats what i wrote earlier but feels like i am just throwing money away
... think that is the way i am going to have to go though
D4nny8oy
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Unfortunately any dyno is open to abuse by it's operator, whether it's accidental or on purpose, but at least with a DD dyno in Shootout mode (power run) it shows all the calibration data so anyone in the know can read deeper into what took place. Well.... it should do unless there's something to hide.
Just a straight forward power run is usually around the £35 mark. If you can get it done on another DD dyno then it'll help your cause further as it'll be the same equipment used.
Just a straight forward power run is usually around the £35 mark. If you can get it done on another DD dyno then it'll help your cause further as it'll be the same equipment used.
dholmes2407
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it was my collegue who took the car down befor.. the car now looks different so i am going to pop it into the exact same place and ask for a power run...
one final question, his excuse for changing the pressure after he did my map befor was that the pressure in the room changes due to him putting the cooling fan on... is this true?? i know roughly room pressure is 101Kpa but i am not sure if putting the fan on would adjust this. shouldnt he be monitoring the room with a berometer or something
one final question, his excuse for changing the pressure after he did my map befor was that the pressure in the room changes due to him putting the cooling fan on... is this true?? i know roughly room pressure is 101Kpa but i am not sure if putting the fan on would adjust this. shouldnt he be monitoring the room with a berometer or something
D4nny8oy
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No not really. The operator will check with the local weather station before doing the run, then input the pressure data in and that's it. The ambient conditions in the dyno room aren't going to differ that much from outside- plus you're not going to be driving the car indoors all the time are you, lol?
dholmes2407
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Hi,
Individual power runs are £50 including air-fuel ratio and boost monitoring.
Thanks for the enquiry,
David@PDT
0191 5501018 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 0191 5501018 end_of_the_skype_highlighting
www.pdtuning.com
DOESNT THIS SOUND A BIT DEAR!!
Individual power runs are £50 including air-fuel ratio and boost monitoring.
Thanks for the enquiry,
David@PDT
0191 5501018 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 0191 5501018 end_of_the_skype_highlighting
www.pdtuning.com
DOESNT THIS SOUND A BIT DEAR!!
D4nny8oy
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Ah, just checked with mine and the £35 power runs are only on RR days when there's a large group of cars. It's usually £55 inc VAT for 3 runs, so his cost of £50 isn't too bad (though if his figures are useless anyway, it's a lot of money for a worthless bit of paper).
What remap company did he get his ECU file from, out of interest?
What remap company did he get his ECU file from, out of interest?
dholmes2407
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DNA or something like that?? he tries to hide the computer and sits around to make it look like he is doing the map himself
fronteratech
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quite interested in this thread and to answer astra query on injectors there are three injectors for 1.9 diesel in vx catalog
93184794
55198218
93169123
from engine number but 55198218 & 93169123 appear to be same part for later engines.
if anyone knows difference in engine bhp would be helpfull
in addition one available here http://www.carpartsconnexion.com/se...=&rf=1&n=10&p=1&f=Saab&m=Any+model&y=Any+year
also interested in compatable parts
93184794
55198218
93169123
from engine number but 55198218 & 93169123 appear to be same part for later engines.
if anyone knows difference in engine bhp would be helpfull
in addition one available here http://www.carpartsconnexion.com/se...=&rf=1&n=10&p=1&f=Saab&m=Any+model&y=Any+year
also interested in compatable parts
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copied from wikipedia "The 8-valve version has 100 PS (74 kW; 99 hp), 120 PS (88 kW; 120 hp) or 130 PS (96 kW; 130 hp), the last two with variable geometry turbocharger" At a guess I would say the injectors are for these three formats and the two parts that are the same are for the turbo charged engines with the other injectors for the N/A 99hp version
doncarlyon
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If that is PD Tuning in Boldon, they are completely useless They dont know what day it is...
They dont know what day it is... 
some info here for you on injectors
http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/tuning-and-upgrades/221913-2-4-jtd-bigger-injectors-3.html
http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/tuning-and-upgrades/221913-2-4-jtd-bigger-injectors-3.html
Hi All,
Just thought I would take this opportunity to address a few of the issues raised here by dholmes2407.
1. We certainly dont obtain our maps by email from a 3rd party, where the user gets this from is beyond me. Its quite the opposite infact, we delelop tuned software for over 36 tuners accross the UK and Europe, for us to buy 'maps' from anyone else would be like Mr Heinz going to Tesco to buy his beans.
2. The email posted by dholmes2407 is edited in a way that users cannot get the entire picture, below is the full email without any editing:
Hi Dan,
It is clear that your colleague that brought the car down didnt explain our findings to you correctly. The horsepower figure is directly related to the torque, the torque figure is used to calculate the BHP figure so we cant add one without the other. On the day your car was producing a great torque figure but it was dropping off higher in the RPM range, this was corrected in the map and it improved the performance of the vehicle greatly.
*
Your ECU is an EDC16 series which has a feature called adaptation. This is used by the ECU as a type of self learning feature, it uses data collected by the ECU and over time this improves both economy and performance. In some ECU's we will disable adaptation so that the map it is left with will never alter, on your type of ECU we leave it on, which gives a much nicer and more drivable car over time.
*
During a stage 2 map we would usually remove the car from the dyno and test drive it on the road for 10-20 mins so that we can allow the adaptation to collect data and then reinstall the car onto the dyno and retest it for max power figures, but with the car arriving with us over 1 hour late we didnt have time to do this as another customer was waiting. I explained to your colleague that you would need to return the car to us for final power testing and also wrote this at the bottom of your reciept.
*
We need to allow a percentage of around 8-10% for adaptation in power figures, if we had given the car the extra 10%* in the map on the day*and then it had gained a futher 10% during adaptation your torque figure could have ended up around 332 ft/lb, which would have resulted in a dead clutch.**
*
If your car adapts and when it is retsested we expect to see a figure of around 300ft/lb and 176bhp (the car made 126bhp standard and we aim for around 50hp from a stage 2). This differs from your Fabia as your Fabia*did not have an adaptive ECU. With over 30 remaps acrried out on this engine we have always achieved expected figures and have received some very good reviews and feedback, but I think explaining all of the above to your colleague rather than to you was a mistake as it is clear he didnt explain the situation to you corectly!
*
Hope this helps clarify things, call us next week to arrange a re-test to get your final figures,
PDtuning"
----------------------------------------------------End of email-------------
On the day we were pushed for time as the car arrived with us over an hour late, hence the lack of road testing, but as you can see above we offered further dyno testing FREE OF CHARGE.
Regardless of the above, if Dholmes2407 wants to get in touch to talk about his apparent 'issues' then we will treat him as we do with all customers, with utmost respect and in a calm proffesional manner, without any annimosity.
Theres always 2 sides to any story, editing emails is a bit underhand and hides some of the facts, but thats the internet for you
If anyone wants an in depth description of why pressure changes are so important to a cars power output on a dyno, feel free to ask, the atmospheric conditions should be checked and altered between different cars being run on the dyno, infact the dyno forces you to do this as you enter a new reg number. Dyno fans cause pressure changes, as does ambient temperature changes and time of the day etc.... Hence it being altered before and during a tuning session.
My final point would be regarding the ignoring of calls and emails, the last email recieved from dholmes2407 was the email that caused us to send he above email response, as for ignoring calls, our phone system does not have a display of any kind, if it rings we will answer it, simple as that.
PDT.
Just thought I would take this opportunity to address a few of the issues raised here by dholmes2407.
1. We certainly dont obtain our maps by email from a 3rd party, where the user gets this from is beyond me. Its quite the opposite infact, we delelop tuned software for over 36 tuners accross the UK and Europe, for us to buy 'maps' from anyone else would be like Mr Heinz going to Tesco to buy his beans.
2. The email posted by dholmes2407 is edited in a way that users cannot get the entire picture, below is the full email without any editing:
Hi Dan,
It is clear that your colleague that brought the car down didnt explain our findings to you correctly. The horsepower figure is directly related to the torque, the torque figure is used to calculate the BHP figure so we cant add one without the other. On the day your car was producing a great torque figure but it was dropping off higher in the RPM range, this was corrected in the map and it improved the performance of the vehicle greatly.
*
Your ECU is an EDC16 series which has a feature called adaptation. This is used by the ECU as a type of self learning feature, it uses data collected by the ECU and over time this improves both economy and performance. In some ECU's we will disable adaptation so that the map it is left with will never alter, on your type of ECU we leave it on, which gives a much nicer and more drivable car over time.
*
During a stage 2 map we would usually remove the car from the dyno and test drive it on the road for 10-20 mins so that we can allow the adaptation to collect data and then reinstall the car onto the dyno and retest it for max power figures, but with the car arriving with us over 1 hour late we didnt have time to do this as another customer was waiting. I explained to your colleague that you would need to return the car to us for final power testing and also wrote this at the bottom of your reciept.
*
We need to allow a percentage of around 8-10% for adaptation in power figures, if we had given the car the extra 10%* in the map on the day*and then it had gained a futher 10% during adaptation your torque figure could have ended up around 332 ft/lb, which would have resulted in a dead clutch.**
*
If your car adapts and when it is retsested we expect to see a figure of around 300ft/lb and 176bhp (the car made 126bhp standard and we aim for around 50hp from a stage 2). This differs from your Fabia as your Fabia*did not have an adaptive ECU. With over 30 remaps acrried out on this engine we have always achieved expected figures and have received some very good reviews and feedback, but I think explaining all of the above to your colleague rather than to you was a mistake as it is clear he didnt explain the situation to you corectly!
*
Hope this helps clarify things, call us next week to arrange a re-test to get your final figures,
PDtuning"
----------------------------------------------------End of email-------------
On the day we were pushed for time as the car arrived with us over an hour late, hence the lack of road testing, but as you can see above we offered further dyno testing FREE OF CHARGE.
Regardless of the above, if Dholmes2407 wants to get in touch to talk about his apparent 'issues' then we will treat him as we do with all customers, with utmost respect and in a calm proffesional manner, without any annimosity.
Theres always 2 sides to any story, editing emails is a bit underhand and hides some of the facts, but thats the internet for you
If anyone wants an in depth description of why pressure changes are so important to a cars power output on a dyno, feel free to ask, the atmospheric conditions should be checked and altered between different cars being run on the dyno, infact the dyno forces you to do this as you enter a new reg number. Dyno fans cause pressure changes, as does ambient temperature changes and time of the day etc.... Hence it being altered before and during a tuning session.
My final point would be regarding the ignoring of calls and emails, the last email recieved from dholmes2407 was the email that caused us to send he above email response, as for ignoring calls, our phone system does not have a display of any kind, if it rings we will answer it, simple as that.
PDT.
just a quick question PDT, out of curiosity, you mention that
'In some ECU's we will disable adaptation so that the map it is left with will never alter, on your type of ECU we leave it on, which gives a much nicer and more drivable car over time.'
if an adaptation ecu gives you a nicer more drivable car over time, how come you sometimes disable the adaptation, so that the map never changes?
'In some ECU's we will disable adaptation so that the map it is left with will never alter, on your type of ECU we leave it on, which gives a much nicer and more drivable car over time.'
if an adaptation ecu gives you a nicer more drivable car over time, how come you sometimes disable the adaptation, so that the map never changes?
Good question!
On some vehicles the adaptation features can cause problems, cerytain Mercedes with auto boxes can start to behave strangely such as inconsistant gearshifts etc...
Other cars that are more trackday toys or motorsport based cars that still use the OE ecu system need to be consistant and we will have tuned them to have an emphasis on performance i.e a really sharp throttle response, revs that drop very quickly during gearchanges, lots of engine braking etc... the adaption can dull down these factors to aid with on-road drivability, which is not what the driver wants.
On some vehicles the adaptation features can cause problems, cerytain Mercedes with auto boxes can start to behave strangely such as inconsistant gearshifts etc...
Other cars that are more trackday toys or motorsport based cars that still use the OE ecu system need to be consistant and we will have tuned them to have an emphasis on performance i.e a really sharp throttle response, revs that drop very quickly during gearchanges, lots of engine braking etc... the adaption can dull down these factors to aid with on-road drivability, which is not what the driver wants.
