alexh365 said:

IIRC theres an astra over on *Puke* Astra Owners Club *Puke* running the M32 gear bag with 419.5bhp & 406.1ft-lb. It does have an LSD but others run similar stats over there without.

The one thing I learnt researching the gearbox over there is that some M32's have a Nylon 6th, so gearbox oil changes and level checks become important unless youd like it to melt away leaving you with a 5 speed.

PS Cheers peter for finishing my post about the systems the remap can affect Late at night mental block I think.

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More a case of you didn't know I suspect than mental block and what Peter has said makes no difference as many tuning boxes work on exactly the same principal.
Anyone else want to join in the bash TMC session? I've got plenty of time today

The cooling system on the cars remained standard.

The point was made about reliability, which first of all depends on the bottom end.

As a proper tuner I would uprate certain components of the car. However, it has nothing got to do with the reliability issue.

From experience with the Fiat units and only being this months for 50 years in the industry I have learned that the 1.9 engine can take a 50% power increase without problems and this with standard components.

If the turbo fails in the 1.9s then either someone who doesn't know what mapping is really about has done some bodge up that will slowly kill the turbo or the turbo is no up to scratch as a complete series was last year delivered by Garrett, which affected Fiat as much as VAG.

TMC Motorsport said:

More a case of you didn't know I suspect than mental block and what Peter has said makes no difference as many tuning boxes work on exactly the same principal.
Anyone else want to join in the bash TMC session? I've got plenty of time today

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Hey, not sure anyones bashing! Well until that outburst.

Just comparing and contrasting. Your Company is (correct if im wrong) the first to come forward onto FF offering Tuning Boxes at good prices.

You'll find however we have a close affinity to remaping & RedDot/GSR in general.

I'm sure you've had sales from here and as you say time will tell, but I think we are confident with what we bought as much as your confident about what your selling

PS all i was saying is surely there was potential for more control from the remap, unless people grab the expensive multi sensor option from yourselves.

alexh365 said:

Hey, not sure anyones bashing! Well until that outburst.

Just comparing and contrasting. Your Company is (correct if im wrong) the first to come forward onto FF offering Tuning Boxes at good prices.

You'll find however we have a close affinity to remaping & RedDot/GSR in general.

I'm sure you've had sales from here and as you say time will tell, but I think we are confident with what we bought as much as your confident about what your selling

PS all i was saying is surely there was potential for more control from the remap, unless people grab the expensive multi sensor option from yourselves.

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Ok i'll try and make this the last post on the subject, firstly Alexh sorry if you were offended by my comment it was not intended as anything more than a comment.
As far as bashing TMC I think thats pretty clear if you read through the whole thread most of the comments i've made get twisted into another meaning.

Let me just clear up:

I HAVE NOT said that by increasing your engines power beyond 30/40 or 50% will automatically result in engine destruction I simply stated that the higher you increase the power the more you increase the possibility of mechanical failure. On gearboxes I also stated the same that highly increased power MAY require beefing up the gearbox, as an example BMW only offer an auto gearbox on the 335d as the manual could not cope with the torque so there are limits to any mechanical component.

I also stated that with high performance increases it is sensible to look at wether your suspension and brakes are capable of coping with the extra power and if not uprate them, it could save your life!

I also said that I consider 30% max to be a safe level of increase using the standard suspension and brakes fitted to the vehicle. When you go to the doctor for medication he doesn't ask you how much you want, he gives you what he considers to be safe and the package warns you of the consequences of taking too much. I think its the responsibilty of a tuner when giving high increases of power to make the customer aware that they may need to uprate other areas of the car to cope with the extra power.

If you have a close afinity to Red Dot that's fine I have no issues with them, they seem to do a good job but remember that not everone wants a re-map, many customers choose for their own personal reasons to buy a box which they can remove easily wether its because the car is in warranty or hired or a company car they feel safer being able to remove the tuning if they need to and that is their choice.

I am simply stating that there are alot of bad tuning boxes out there just as there are many good ones so don't assume they all work the same way, many are extremely complex and can do pretty much the same as a remap, its important to do your research and only buy from a reliable company who will answer your questions, give you a decent warranty and a period of time for testing where you can change your mind and get a refund if its not what you want.

I hope this will be the end of this subject.

a question for TMC,

I noticed that you have on your list for ECU flashing that you can remap the 1.4 16v engine. Is there any soldering involved in this process as I have spoke to angel and they said they had to solder to allow them to do the remap!:yuck:

can you please clarify the process?

also theres two TMC motorsport websites, are you .co.uk or .com? or both?

steve119 said:

a question for TMC,

I noticed that you have on your list for ECU flashing that you can remap the 1.4 16v engine. Is there any soldering involved in this process as I have spoke to angel and they said they had to solder to allow them to do the remap!:yuck:

can you please clarify the process?

also theres two TMC motorsport websites, are you .co.uk or .com? or both?

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Our site is .com the other is a hillclimb/sprint racing website. The Fiat ECU's have a mixture of OBD and Boot mode, boot mode involves connecting wires from the CMD interface direct to the pins of the ECU so Angel may be correct you may not be able to do it via OBD. Although the CMD application list shows many naturally aspirated engines we generally don't do them as the gains are so small. We tend to stick to turbo charged engines which give worthwhile results.
Cheers

cool, thanks for clearing that up! If a solder is required then I'd rather leave it anyway!