I've got a Spider tuning box on my mjet, transforms the car, and best of all removable when required!
The Wife drives the car more than me and she says its not the same car without it, ticks over smoother, pulls like a train and really helps the economy.
Fast motorway trip to Durham 2 weeks ago, 176 miles and 52 to the gallon average speed 85ish allegedly.

Daver said:

I've got a Spider tuning box on my mjet, transforms the car, and best of all removable when required!
The Wife drives the car more than me and she says its not the same car without it, ticks over smoother, pulls like a train and really helps the economy.
Fast motorway trip to Durham 2 weeks ago, 176 miles and 52 to the gallon average speed 85ish allegedly.

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Sounds abot right. My wife also uses the GPS more than me and she has the same opinion.
Have you tinkered with the settings or left them as factory set? I'd love to have a play but not got the confidence.

Mattyk said:

Ive got no faith in "tuning boxes" if you mean the things that you plug in the end of the fuel rail to tell the engine its running colder than it really is, all they do is make them over fuel

a remap is tailored to your car, the boost is adjusted as well as the air and fuel delivery

my car is out of warrenty though and I appriciate other peoples circumstances

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Plugs into the end of the rail to tell the engine its running colder than it really is ???? Eh the sensor on the the fuel rail is called the fuel rail pressure sensor because ....... It controls the pressure the fuel is held at in the rail before being injected to the cylinders ,nothing to do with temperature, that would be the temperature sensor, and there are some boxes or should I say resistors in a box that do connect to this you can find them on Ebay, in fact you could make one for a few pence!!

We have digital microprocessor controlled kits that connect to the pressure sensor on the fuel rail and adjust the rail pressure at exact mapped points through the rev range, they work perfectly as recent reviews on the forum show here .

We also have a more complex kit (Premium Kit) which controls fuelling and boost pressure just like a remap but it's only necessary for cars that have DPF (diesel particulate filter) which is on a few 1.9 JTDM and all 2.0 JTDM. On the cars without DPF the results are great with the Value Kit which is on offer to FF members for only £115 inc VAT and delivery.

I have left settings as received, although if you or anyone can advise ref altering it would be appreciated.
BTW the mpg was worked out fuelling "brim to brim" as I tend to after a trip to check as this is more accurate than the trip computer I find.
I have never had a problem with smoke etc, only with stopping myself from grinning at some peoples reactions when "a bloody Fiat" accelerates away from them on long Motorway hills!

TMC Motorsport said:

Plugs into the end of the rail to tell the engine its running colder than it really is ???? Eh the sensor on the the fuel rail is called the fuel rail pressure sensor because ....... It controls the pressure the fuel is held at in the rail before being injected to the cylinders ,nothing to do with temperature, that would be the temperature sensor, and there are some boxes or should I say resistors in a box that do connect to this you can find them on Ebay, in fact you could make one for a few pence!!

We have digital microprocessor controlled kits that connect to the pressure sensor on the fuel rail and adjust the rail pressure at exact mapped points through the rev range, they work perfectly as recent reviews on the forum show here .

We also have a more complex kit (Premium Kit) which controls fuelling and boost pressure just like a remap but it's only necessary for cars that have DPF (diesel particulate filter) which is on a few 1.9 JTDM and all 2.0 JTDM. On the cars without DPF the results are great with the Value Kit which is on offer to FF members for only £115 inc VAT and delivery.

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Daver said:

I have left settings as received, although if you or anyone can advise ref altering it would be appreciated.
BTW the mpg was worked out fuelling "brim to brim" as I tend to after a trip to check as this is more accurate than the trip computer I find.
I have never had a problem with smoke etc, only with stopping myself from grinning at some peoples reactions when "a bloody Fiat" accelerates away from them on long Motorway hills!

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Well my trip computer shows that im gettin 5mpg better on any type of journey. Well chuffed! And as for performance, again Im with you!!

Im still sceptical of those boxes.... nothing generic can be as good as a well written custom map. The map is written by professionals to the users specification, not using generic settings.

adamcot said:

Im still sceptical of those boxes.... nothing generic can be as good as a well written custom map. The map is written by professionals to the users specification, not using generic settings.

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Sorry to burst your bubble but I don't think you're too well informed, our boxes are also made by 'professionals' with many years experience of tuning and mapped specifically to each engine. A re-map is only as good as the guy who writes it and just as there are bad tuning boxes out there, there are also bad re-mappers too who don't have a clue what they are doing and cause damage to customers cars.
Moral is go to a reputable company either for boxes or remaps or you could end up costing yourself a fortune in the long run.

Our tuning kits can also be mapped to specification but we won't turn them up so high as to damage your engine.

I'm not trying to start an argument with you by any means but many of the tuning kits on the market including ours are very high quality well tested digital electronics designed and set up (mapped) with many hours on the dyno most are even certified by the German government with T.U.V certification (similar to our British kitemark). Most of the good ones on the market will give just as good a results as with a remap.
Incidently we also do remapping too and will be arranging a RR day in UK soon where anyone from the forum will be welcome to come up and try a TMC remap or tuning box with before and after RR test on a brand new electro-braked dyno in brand new premises of one of our distributors in Deeside North Wales. Details to follow soon.
Cheers

TMC Motorsport said:

Sorry to burst your bubble but I don't think you're too well informed, our boxes are also made by 'professionals' with many years experience of tuning and mapped specifically to each engine.

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Really? Do I buy a specific box for my particular engine?

If you know your stuff, you will know that not all engines perform the same, even in the same model line. Il give you an example, my Mjet rolled originally at 128bhp but another member on here had is rolled at 145bhp. Are you seriously telling me these are the same, and require the same modifications

I think you need to stop trying to sell your products by talking rubbish

adamcot said:

Really? Do I buy a specific box for my particular engine?

If you know your stuff, you will know that not all engines perform the same, even in the same model line. Il give you an example, my Mjet rolled originally at 128bhp but another member on here had is rolled at 145bhp. Are you seriously telling me these are the same, and require the same modifications

I think you need to stop trying to sell your products by talking rubbish

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Talking rubbish I think not, let me explain, we do have specific maps for each engine but that would mean for 1.9 Jtdm or 2.0 Jtdm or whichever engine the customer asks for and the settings will give a percentage increase over the standard performance regardless of what that figure is as the fuelling parameters are increased on a percentage basis just as a remap does!!
Do you think every engine comes out of the factory with identical BHP? No but they are still the same engine. Did both the cars you speak of get tested on the same dyno on the same day?? Are you aware that there are different types of dyno?? Some are electro-brake which create resistance and will cause the turbo to produce more boost at lower RPM and show completely different figures to a dyno with free rolling rollers..... Oh im sure you knew all that.

Did you know that the ambient temperature on the day, the cooling fan being used on the dyno and the quality of the fuel being used in the car on the day and even the quality or newness of the air filter could affect dyno figures?? Im sure you knew all that too!

YES I do know what im talking about, I've been in this business for 10 years and know it inside out. I was not picking a fight with you but you tried to make out that tuning boxes can't perform like a remap and on that you're wrong as many on this forum will testify wether with my tuning box or other quality makes.

Please prove me wrong.

How can this be a custom tuning box. You say you have specific boxes for the 1.9 jtdm. You do know there are different setups of this engine? As after looking at your website it appears my car doesn't even exist.

What's your explanation then as you wouldn't want a box that's designed for a 130bhp gp on a 120/115bhp 1.9 jtdm would you?

The cars were tested on the same day, at Red Dot Racing in Enfield. Both with Shell Diesel Extra. My car had also just had a full service including new air filter and oil.

Im sorry, its still generic. Can you adjust the boost pressure or is it just fuel rail pressure on the box? If you adjust boost, how is it done?

An example: If you have the choice between custom, hand made furniture or Ikea, for a similar amount of money. Which are you going to choose?

B3NNETT said:

How can this be a custom tuning box. You say you have specific boxes for the 1.9 jtdm. You do know there are different setups of this engine? As after looking at your website it appears my car doesn't even exist.

What's your explanation then as you wouldn't want a box that's designed for a 130bhp gp on a 120/115bhp 1.9 jtdm would you?

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I've seen tuning boxes for both of these engine levels? anyway isnt the only difference the actual map that is on this engine, as the mechanicals is exactly the same?


Also, when your car is remapped do you guys sit there for a whole day as it is remapped for your engine specifically? when I remapped a car it litterally took all day...as it was specific to the engine/car.

B3NNETT said:

How can this be a custom tuning box. You say you have specific boxes for the 1.9 jtdm. You do know there are different setups of this engine? As after looking at your website it appears my car doesn't even exist.

What's your explanation then as you wouldn't want a box that's designed for a 130bhp gp on a 120/115bhp 1.9 jtdm would you?

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The box itself is not specific, its a digital eprom that will do whatever you program it to do. We have programming files for all the types of vehicles which we program to the eprom, not necessarily every model, if yours is not listed we may not have tested it yet and thats why its not listed.
I would not use settings from a 130 on a 115. If there is no programming file for your car then it hasn't been tested yet and the box can't be programmed for it. It's also possible that it has been tested but just not updated on the website yet.
Please don't turn this into a bashing session I am only trying to explain how my tuning kits work.

Hi TMC Motorsport, I'm a confirmed Red Dot re-mapped car driver & very happy, however, do you do a box for the 1.9 Fabia vRS as my daughter is sure to want something done once she gets used to stock 130Bhp.

My map work was 200quid including 2 RR sessions which I consider excellent value, and proven results, could a tuning box do the same for the Fabia at the same cost or less as I dont get the RR sessions?

smifton said:

I've seen tuning boxes for both of these engine levels? anyway isnt the only difference the actual map that is on this engine, as the mechanicals is exactly the same?


Also, when your car is remapped do you guys sit there for a whole day as it is remapped for your engine specifically? when I remapped a car it litterally took all day...as it was specific to the engine/car.

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No the difference is they all have different turbos.

When I had my car mapped i had to wait over an hour for the original map to download of the car. Then half an hour for them to re write the map and then another hour to upload the map.

TMC
I cannot see how a generic off the shelf box can be specific to every car.
It would not be possible for you to program the box to my engine specifically like a REAL remap can.

adamcot said:

The cars were tested on the same day, at Red Dot Racing in Enfield. Both with Shell Diesel Extra. My car had also just had a full service including new air filter and oil.

Im sorry, its still generic. Can you adjust the boost pressure or is it just fuel rail pressure on the box? If you adjust boost, how is it done?

An example: If you have the choice between custom, hand made furniture or Ikea, for a similar amount of money. Which are you going to choose?

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I can adjust boost pressure on our Premium kit which connects to the boost pressure sensor, but there is no reason to use this kit on cars with no DPF as the extra boost pressure is really only needed on DPF cars to put more air through the engine to keep the DPF from blocking. On non DPF cars we can achieve good results with only fuelling, one of the forum members here got 30bhp and 48lb/ft of torque with our value kit with a graph from Red Dot. The kit used cost him £115. Do you think he would have got much higher results for more money?

On the Ikea comment. Well they are the biggest furniture supplier in the world so I guess more people do there

B3NNETT said:

No the difference is they all rn different turbos.

When I had my car mapped ihad to wait o er an hour for the origi al map to download of the car. Then half an hour for them to re write the map and then another hour to upload the map.

TMC
I cannot see how a generic off the shelf box can be specific to everycar.
It would not be possible for you to programthe box to my e fine specifically like a REAL remap can.

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so wouldnt that be just then uploading a pretty much generic map onto your ecu? Like i said when i rewrote a map it took me and this other guy a bit longer than 30 minutes.

smifton said:

so wouldnt that be just then uploading a pretty much generic map onto your ecu? Like i said when i rewrote a map it took me and this other guy a bit longer than 30 minutes.

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No it's not just using a generic map as he actually had to dowload the map of the car and then edited it all himself. If it was generic he would of been able to just upload the map straight to the car.

TMC
I think the map is better value as I managed to get 54bhp over standard for just £80 more. Which do you class better value? Bearing in mind that I also had 2 RR's included in the price

TMC Motorsport said:

On non DPF cars we can achieve good results with only fuelling, one of the forum members here got 30bhp and 48lb/ft of torque with our value kit with a graph from Red Dot. The kit used cost him £115. Do you think he would have got much higher results for more money?

On the Ikea comment. Well they are the biggest furniture supplier in the world so I guess more people do there

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I got 55bhp increase for £80 more......

Do you really think that you are offering "value for money"?

You know exactly what I was getting at with Ikea comparison