Technical Question for GP owners who re-mapped

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Technical Question for GP owners who re-mapped

Yea Stilo1.8 and I are going for a mild map as a precaution TBH, around 160bhp will do nicely for me with a decent dolop of torque but not enough to make my clutch slip, thats all up for discussion with Peter at the time, he PM'd me.

I don't think the clutch will offer you up any problems even with a more aggressive map. Especially as your not a nutcase driver. On a side note Ffoxy will you be joining us in the usual midlands convoy?

I bought mine 2nd hand from Alex Gregory, he had it remapped at Angel, not sure of exact figures but sharkriders is 158bhp and 314lb/ft and that was done at the same time and i think its more than enough for me. I dont drive like a loon, but i love the torque when its needed for overtaking and slip roads. Ive driven a standard before a few times and it also makes first and second a lot more useable i feel.

I think it makes every gear more useable and and gives plenty of low down power, nice and lazy. Thats my only problem with the GP, its just not 'racey' enough for me. Then again, how many diesels are....
 
I don't think the clutch will offer you up any problems even with a more aggressive map. Especially as your not a nutcase driver. On a side note Ffoxy will you be joining us in the usual midlands convoy?



I think it makes every gear more useable and and gives plenty of low down power, nice and lazy. Thats my only problem with the GP, its just not 'racey' enough for me. Then again, how many diesels are....

Do u mean down to Watford on the 24th Kris? I dunno, may do but I will pencil in a convoy trip someday to say hello to all! :D

As far as performance diesels go how about the Le Mans Pugs etc and the BTC Seats? :)
 
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Yeah, i suppose if you want racey, you should go for petrol, although diesels are upping their game. My boss has a 3.0 A6 diesel, its astonishing, i want one badly. Personally diesel suits my driving style and i dont think i will ever go back to petrol (well, for a daily runabout... nissan gtr would be tempting lol), i just love torque and the any gear acceleration.
 
some excellent posts there... and yes i would be worried if i saw smoke comign through the grille when you pull up :eek: lol

what does white smoke on start up mean then, mine gives a little splutter, nothing excesive? though when i asked the garage the told me thats normal? or not?

Maybe in looking into this too much now and getting paranoid :eek:


.......what way are you guys convoying to watford then? most of my journey is down the a1
 
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Do u mean down to Watford on the 24th Kris? I dunno, may do but I will pencil in a convoy trip someday to say hello to all! :D

Yea every RR day we all meet up at hilton park services in the morning and travel down together. Gives time for a quick chat and a fag before setting off. Also beneficial for anybody who doesn't know where red dot is.

Yeah, i suppose if you want racey, you should go for petrol, although diesels are upping their game. My boss has a 3.0 A6 diesel, its astonishing, i want one badly. Personally diesel suits my driving style and i dont think i will ever go back to petrol (well, for a daily runabout... nissan gtr would be tempting lol), i just love torque and the any gear acceleration.

If you've driven any diesel beemer made in the last ten years you will be amazed at how they drive. They pull right to the red line and the six cylinder engines give a lovely noise compared to other diesels. Its alot like driving a petrol.

When the mileage warrants it, I'll be back onto petrol. You can't beat the sound and revs and the driveability. Hopefully something like a vx220 or maybe lotus elise.
 
some excellent posts there... and yes i would be worried if i saw smoke comign through the grille when you pull up :eek: lol

what does white smoke on start up mean then, mine gives a little splutter, nothing excesive? though when i asked the garage the told me thats normal? or not?

Maybe in looking into this too much now and getting paranoid :eek:


.......what way are you guys convoying to watford then? most of my journey is down the a1

White smoke on start up is probably steam expecially if its first thing in the morning. Usually goes after a mile or so of driving depending on the temperature.

White smoke all the time on a petrol can be alot of things including burning oil.
 
Yea every RR day we all meet up at hilton park services in the morning and travel down together. Gives time for a quick chat and a fag before setting off. Also beneficial for anybody who doesn't know where red dot is.

I got Satnav already programmed in for Red Dot but I can mosey over to Hilton Park to join the convoy, what time is the collection of reprobates expected? Safety in numbers and help available post re-map on the trip home should it be needed... :p
 
I got Satnav already programmed in for Red Dot but I can mosey over to Hilton Park to join the convoy, what time is the collection of reprobates expected? Safety in numbers and help available post re-map on the trip home should it be needed... :p

If we want to arrive at 10am at red dot we usually meet at hilton park at quarter past wit a view to leave at half past (depending on whether everybody wants to be up at that time :p

Always nice to get a nice convoy of grandes, always shenanigans on the way usually aswell (y)
 
If we want to arrive at 10am at red dot we usually meet at hilton park at quarter past wit a view to leave at half past (depending on whether everybody wants to be up at that time :p

Always nice to get a nice convoy of grandes, always shenanigans on the way usually aswell (y)

Erm... quarter past and half past what now? :p
 
My car won't be ready to join you on the trip down this month, but will definitely be involved a convoy next time you're all heading down :)

Something I've always been meaning to ask - is Red-Dot and GSR the same company as they always get bracketted together?
 
am I the highest miles remapped then? 55,000 miles so far, just had the 54k service, and no problems .....

I'll be keeping this car for three-four years so watch this space, should be 150-200k by then ;)
 
Just had mine serviced today (26k) major, couple of ECU updates were done, but think they havent wiped my map, hard to tell on the commute home though. Think they would have mentioned if they found the map though, they were so fussy that they wouldnt replace my wheel nuts under 3d year warranty, so think discovering the remap may have made them say something.
 
im coming across from swansea on 24th, how long does the two rolling roads + remap usually take? i'm hoping to be back in wales in time for tea!:D
 
HI team I sit hear and read all about your desires to tune your cars well and you talk about loosing a turbo, I can tell you from experance the most common failer is a bearing fail as the turbo bearings are only bronze busing, the comp wheel is to small and when you boost them they go in to over speed and the bearings fail, so take t from one who has lent the hard way when you hear the turbo start to screem it's not long for this world.

Hears some information from down under (Sunny Australia) my name is Phil Buggee and I currently Race & Rally a Grande Punto Sport 1.9 JTD, we were the first diesel home in Targa Tasmania & fin Sec O/W in the Showroom 2WD class behind Alistair McCrea in a works Mazda MPS 3 Turbo rocket ship this year. rallyresults.com.au/targa2008/Showroom2WD

We also won the PTTC touring car championship for diesels in 2007 with this car ptcc.net.au

For those who are very keen to really get their Punto's not only to go in a straight line but going around corners & stopping I can supply hand made Turbo ex manifolds to fit Alfa 159 2.4 JTD turbo to your car, and all pluming to fit your cars, I can also supply fully adjustable front Coil over struts & rear adjustable spring kits and shockers all fully adjustable in the damp rates for your cars.

I am also making 330mm front rotors & 8 piston brake calipers kits that will fit under your standard 17" Fiat wheels.

All of these parts are what is available for the works rally cars etc... But are made down under and will cost you a lot less than you think.


Check out my web sight www.Bitsofitaly.com
 
Hi Phil and fair play to you for letting us see your site. What surprised me being a heavily Health and Safety afflicted PoM, was the Targa 2008 prologue was basically a quick-ish nip around a housing estate, TBH there are loads of local kids that would enjoy that but maybe I have a lack of understanding about Aussie rools racing that you do? I was connected to your post and wonder what experience you guys have of terminal turbo failure on a re-mapped 1.9 MJet motor as you say we have been discussing this quite widely on the Forum.
 
You will see that we have made it in Auto Italia Mag for a sort story the other month, plus we have had a story run about Targa this year in the Fiat Car of GB (Avanti Mag). Targa is 2100 Km all Tarmac Rally around the Island State of Tasmania, the Video you see is just the pro loge that seeds the field. I have all stages from start to finish on Video, as we record all of the competition we do. We are currently putting together a DVD of high highlights from this year event, were you get to see us hunting down and rounding up Alfa GTV 6’s, our sister car Jack Waldron in his Fiat Abarth 750GT & then round up a Holden Torana GTR XU1 an Australian made 3L 6 Cyl touring car from the 1970,s, Jags and all sorts of cars.

Most Drivers get very up set when a Diesel go's round them, we were becoming to be known as the silent Assassins as no body could hear us coming and we made almost no noise as we went by. We did the whole event on 177 Liters of Diesel averaged 9 liters per 100 kms.
Under Targa Rules we must run as a Standard show room car as it came from the dealers but with safety mod’s Roll cage, driving seats, 6 point harness, Fire Ext etc. we can up grade the susspension. But for the rest of the events the car dose it is allowed a few more changes, I can make use of the bigger brakes it has available, the Exsystem freedoms, suspension system, & LSD.

And yes I have also looked Hi & low for a LSD for the Punto but they are not making them as yet officially, I have my own I made based on A older Salisbury type as used in the Fiat Dino etc.. I make these in my work shop in Melbourne for my different cars, from Min’s, Nissans, Ford Escorts and many of the Fiat range, 127,128, Fiat 600, 124,125, 131 etc..
I will be putting up some more videos in the coming weeks. We are have entered the car in the up coming Tarmac Challenge in Oct 4-5 this is also a all tarmac event based again in Tasmania will be a round of the ARC (Australia Rally Championships)

I know I have rattled on & you want me to let you know about the turbo failures I have had to date? Well I need to be very careful hear, you I have had some problems in fact we have lost 4 in 18 months much to my wife’s frustration as I have no Factory support from Fiat as I am a Privateer I have been Racing & Ralling Fiats for over 30 years and have had a great deal of sucsess in these cars from 124 Sedan’s 124 AC turbo’s, 124 Spyder Abarth.

I restore & service these cars as a passion, I know I am nuts about them, I have been all of my life and the Punto Sport is no different in Fact I own 2 Grande Punto sports “THE BOSS” (That’s The Wife) drives one every day & I have the Race/Rally car as well all of my other babies (Fiat Dino Coupe, 124cc, 124 Spyder Abarth, 127 Special with a EFI Turbo 903 Grin!! My son has taken over my old 131 Panarma wagon 2L EFI Turbo as well).

The assistance I receive is via my local dealers in Melbourne ZAGAM who are really good people and very good to me. In short I have had 2 shaft failures & 2 bearing failures, the shafts & bearing faults come as a direct result of the turbo being over speeded under high boost applications for prolonged periods of time, also the fact that the turbo has a Particulate filter right be hide the turbo Ex, which puts the Vero Vain system under even more stress as when it also gets to hot is fails to work properly and adds to the problem of over speeding & over boosting. I have seen Ex temps on the Piro of 950C.
If the Turbo had a Roller bearing it might make a go of it but Garret do not make such a thing to suit these small turbo’s used in the Punto Grande 1.9 JTD.

The car has a Alfa 159 KKK turbo that the works cars use on modified manifold the changes to fit this are quite extensive, which means dropping the sump blanking off the standard Turbo drain, welding in a new point in the sump, making a lot of custom changes to the turbo its self to get it to all fit, new plumbing from the air box to the turbo, new ex system etc.. I do have all of this documented and now the car is running very strong, and Ex temps don’t go much over 550C. the car can over power the LSD I have built with great deal of ease. The car is capable of tipping 220Kms with out much effort.

The Tyres we have settled on are a Silverstone Simi Slick FTZ-R215/45/17” witch just suit the car to the ground, they are just so much better than any thing else we have tried to date, the tyre had almost perfect sit on the Factory 17” wheels.

I am more than happy to help you guys out but I need to be careful how much I say on this forum as I do not wish to do anything to strain my relation ship with Fiat Cars Australia or my local dealer.

Best regards Phil B
 
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