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Wasn't your GPS an ex-demo from TJ Vickers? That would explain the excessively worn rubber!

@ Pezz - What years your car mate, I think the dodgy turbo's were fitted to 07 platers?
Well, I bought it from TJV thats correct but it was shipped in from a Seat dealer in Stoke after I told Vickers' I wanted one. To be fair tho I have no issues with trim condition that others have had, nor any rattles that either Vickers' couldnt fix or me by myself so it wasnt neglected or visbly abused before I got it, it will be interesting to see what the dyno says at Red Dot on 24th.
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mines an 07
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Mines a 56' (almost a classic now)
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@ Pezz - What years your car mate, I think the dodgy turbo's were fitted to 07 platers?
Mines a 57 plate. Looks like 1.8 Stilo found some good info on the reason for turbo whistle. Thanks for that!

My car is going in for it's first service soon and I'm going to ask for some feedback on the state of the Turbo. I'll let you guys know how I get on.
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Re: Question for GP owners who re-mapped

Heres my two cents worth, haven't been on the GP section for a while.


I had my GP on an 06 plate with 9k miles on the clock, I had it mapped by red dot when it was on about 12k miles. on about 25k miles I had the GSR induction combined with another tweaked remap by red dot. My GPS has now done 35k, I've had plenty of issues with it but not remap related at all. The car still drives like new.

The turbo is currently on its way out and this is down to it beign a fualty unit, this has been confirmed by techs and others in the know who have replaced them and seen them go with the same symptoms on standard GPss on alot less miles than mine.

Ffoxy I always change my oil every 10k with the correct selenia stuff regardless of what the service intevals say.

Of course if you have a faulty turbo the remap will acclerate wear but if its going to go then its going to go! and its better to go sooner than later imo.


Just look for early signs such as oil from the inlet manifold and a black turbo. Smoke coming from the grill when you pull up somewhere is a little sign aswell.


As far as driving style goes I drive her on my 70 mile a day commute very carefully indeed, with the rev counter rarely touching 3 grand. When used getting from place to place it sometimes gets the odd blast but never for prolonged periods of time. I currently average around 48 - 50 mpg in her.
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I suppose its a risk you take when you remap the car, please correct me if im wrong but isnt the same engine used in the bravo in 150hp guise? with no upgrades of any components. So i presume the average remap shouldnt exert any more stress than the components can withstand (providing they aren't dodgy in the first place of course). I imagine this changes slightly for the likes of Kris and Tym who have gone a bit further with their tuning. But still i would hope that a reputable tuning firm would be responsible enough not to push components past what must be well known limits, otherwise they would gain a reputation for themselves as car killers. From reading motoring press it seems that the 1.3, 1.6 and 1.9 Mjets are regarded as some of the finest small diesels around (the 1.9 is used in Vauxhalls, SAABs etc isnt it?) so i would presume they can handle a little fettling without falling apart.

In my experience of a average remap (approx 160bhp) my car appears fine, 06, 26k, the turbo whooshes but doesnt whistle, id say it was fairly loud, but not worryingly so. I havent noticed any white smoke on start up, only black smoke on hard acceleration which is common for all diesels. I dont drive hard so im not worrying about the remap or my driving causing problems and i always let the turbo 'cool down' at the end of a journey. But there is a dodgy batch, i expect if my turbo was part of that batch it would be replaced regardless, any fault may have been exacerbated by the tuning but the fault was still there regardless.

I say all this but when its serviced maybe i will be another unlucky one, who can tell?
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Re: Question for GP owners who re-mapped

Cheers guys for the above 2 Posts, much appreciated, I suppose there is some merit in an earlier rather than later turbo failure, I got til Sept for mine to blow after my re-map planned for 24th August lol! Even then if its a known batch fault then there should be some recourse after the Fiat warranty has expired.
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I suppose its a risk you take when you remap the car, please correct me if im wrong but isnt the same engine used in the bravo in 150hp guise? with no upgrades of any components. So i presume the average remap shouldnt exert any more stress than the components can withstand (providing they aren't dodgy in the first place of course). I imagine this changes slightly for the likes of Kris and Tym who have gone a bit further with their tuning. But still i would hope that a reputable tuning firm would be responsible enough not to push components past what must be well known limits, otherwise they would gain a reputation for themselves as car killers. From reading motoring press it seems that the 1.3, 1.6 and 1.9 Mjets are regarded as some of the finest small diesels around (the 1.9 is used in Vauxhalls, SAABs etc isnt it?) so i would presume they can handle a little fettling without falling apart.

In my experience of a average remap (approx 160bhp) my car appears fine, 06, 26k, the turbo whooshes but doesnt whistle, id say it was fairly loud, but not worryingly so. I havent noticed any white smoke on start up, only black smoke on hard acceleration which is common for all diesels. I dont drive hard so im not worrying about the remap or my driving causing problems and i always let the turbo 'cool down' at the end of a journey. But there is a dodgy batch, i expect if my turbo was part of that batch it would be replaced regardless, any fault may have been exacerbated by the tuning but the fault was still there regardless.

I say all this but when its serviced maybe i will be another unlucky one, who can tell?
The engine in the bravo is a 16v as opposed to the GPSs 8v unit and also has a different turbo. The same block that is int he bravo is used int he astra 888 diesel (200bhp standard)

Red dot have been good with mine, a remap can easily squeeze loads more power but would probably see the turbo last until the end of the road other variables need to be changed before tweaked maps are loaded... Ffpxy hopefully you will see what I mean on the 24th!
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The engine in the bravo is a 16v as opposed to the GPSs 8v unit and also has a different turbo. The same block that is int he bravo is used int he astra 888 diesel (200bhp standard)

Red dot have been good with mine, a remap can easily squeeze loads more power but would probably see the turbo last until the end of the road other variables need to be changed before tweaked maps are loaded... Ffpxy hopefully you will see what I mean on the 24th!
Yea Stilo1.8 and I are going for a mild map as a precaution TBH, around 160bhp will do nicely for me with a decent dolop of torque but not enough to make my clutch slip, thats all up for discussion with Peter at the time, he PM'd me.
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I bought mine 2nd hand from Alex Gregory, he had it remapped at Angel, not sure of exact figures but sharkriders is 158bhp and 314lb/ft and that was done at the same time and i think its more than enough for me. I dont drive like a loon, but i love the torque when its needed for overtaking and slip roads. Ive driven a standard before a few times and it also makes first and second a lot more useable i feel.
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Yea Stilo1.8 and I are going for a mild map as a precaution TBH, around 160bhp will do nicely for me with a decent dolop of torque but not enough to make my clutch slip, thats all up for discussion with Peter at the time, he PM'd me.
I don't think the clutch will offer you up any problems even with a more aggressive map. Especially as your not a nutcase driver. On a side note Ffoxy will you be joining us in the usual midlands convoy?

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I bought mine 2nd hand from Alex Gregory, he had it remapped at Angel, not sure of exact figures but sharkriders is 158bhp and 314lb/ft and that was done at the same time and i think its more than enough for me. I dont drive like a loon, but i love the torque when its needed for overtaking and slip roads. Ive driven a standard before a few times and it also makes first and second a lot more useable i feel.
I think it makes every gear more useable and and gives plenty of low down power, nice and lazy. Thats my only problem with the GP, its just not 'racey' enough for me. Then again, how many diesels are....
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I don't think the clutch will offer you up any problems even with a more aggressive map. Especially as your not a nutcase driver. On a side note Ffoxy will you be joining us in the usual midlands convoy?



I think it makes every gear more useable and and gives plenty of low down power, nice and lazy. Thats my only problem with the GP, its just not 'racey' enough for me. Then again, how many diesels are....
Do u mean down to Watford on the 24th Kris? I dunno, may do but I will pencil in a convoy trip someday to say hello to all!

As far as performance diesels go how about the Le Mans Pugs etc and the BTC Seats? :-)
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Yeah, i suppose if you want racey, you should go for petrol, although diesels are upping their game. My boss has a 3.0 A6 diesel, its astonishing, i want one badly. Personally diesel suits my driving style and i dont think i will ever go back to petrol (well, for a daily runabout... nissan gtr would be tempting lol), i just love torque and the any gear acceleration.
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some excellent posts there... and yes i would be worried if i saw smoke comign through the grille when you pull up lol

what does white smoke on start up mean then, mine gives a little splutter, nothing excesive? though when i asked the garage the told me thats normal? or not?

Maybe in looking into this too much now and getting paranoid


.......what way are you guys convoying to watford then? most of my journey is down the a1
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Do u mean down to Watford on the 24th Kris? I dunno, may do but I will pencil in a convoy trip someday to say hello to all!
Yea every RR day we all meet up at hilton park services in the morning and travel down together. Gives time for a quick chat and a fag before setting off. Also beneficial for anybody who doesn't know where red dot is.

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Yeah, i suppose if you want racey, you should go for petrol, although diesels are upping their game. My boss has a 3.0 A6 diesel, its astonishing, i want one badly. Personally diesel suits my driving style and i dont think i will ever go back to petrol (well, for a daily runabout... nissan gtr would be tempting lol), i just love torque and the any gear acceleration.
If you've driven any diesel beemer made in the last ten years you will be amazed at how they drive. They pull right to the red line and the six cylinder engines give a lovely noise compared to other diesels. Its alot like driving a petrol.

When the mileage warrants it, I'll be back onto petrol. You can't beat the sound and revs and the driveability. Hopefully something like a vx220 or maybe lotus elise.
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