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General GPS TJet vs MJet vs 500 Sport !

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General GPS TJet vs MJet vs 500 Sport !

The Beast said:
Yeah.

More stylish, safer, more economical, better built, more exclusive. with better technology inside. You right it is a no brainer. ;)
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yeah?, more stylish?, in YOUR opinion!! (y)

as puntokris said though, would like a shot in the 500 abarth, but not as much as i'd like a shot in the GP abarth though!
 
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sorry for my input here looks apart i can't understand the 500 its based on the panda yet is a good bit heavier not as sweet handling and slower so i am of the opinion the 500 is defo for someone who buys a car for looks first off fair dos fiat are trying to do the while mini thing and create a niche with options etc hence why i think its more about show than go IMHO. point being a tried a panda 100hp great little car loads of fun and just about quick enough just a little too small for comfort for myself sadly, was persuaded to try thr 500 1.4 16v sport ie shoudl have been the same as the panda but felt slow and cumbersome in comparison hence why I ended uo with gps mjet as i think it looks pretty good and goes ok as well. But if i was a little smaller in frame i would defo have a panda 100hp to drive i felt was way better than the 500 and to me that matterds as much as the looks my input on the debate/slagging match lol
 
puntokris said:
Not necessarily. I just personally think they are a particularly feminine car, I have the same view of minis, suzuki swifts, micras, clios, (not renaultsport ones) KAs etc. Thats just me. I don't think anything less of a bloke who drives one of these but I think its fair to say a few have a wiff of lavendar about them...
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Some ppl dont need an aggressive looking car to prove their manhood....:p
 
thanks for the input Si - i think thats a fair summary from what i've read

Panda - too small, and my shoulder is hard against the b pillar sitting in the showroom, never mind when cornering.

500 dealer margins are pretty small, so not likely to see big discounts even in 12 months time.

dealer launch 500 1.4 sports with afew extras are about £1500 off list now at £9-£9.5k. Carfile offered me a 08 or even 58 pre reg 1.4 a6v sporting for 8589 - 27% off list. Good price but i'm guessing these are gen 1 cars finding homes from the stockpile and not gen 2 cars. Adding 40k miles in 2 years isn't going to do either car any favours come used value !
 
IF you buy this months Auto Italia magazine it has a comparison test between the GP T & M Jets. 120bhp and 130bhp models.

There was only something like 6mpg between them, it was something like 44.5 & 49.8mpg but don't have mag at hand, so little in it.
0-60 times T-Jet 8.9secs and M-Jet 9.5secs IIRC again little in it.
Top speeds both illegal unless off public roads, were something like 120 and 124mph, so yet again little in it.

But the biggest factor I thought was this;

T-Jet kerb weight 1060kgs
M-Jet kerb weight 1205kgs

And as pointed out by Auto Italia this weight is all out front so the M-Jet is not as dynamic as T-Jet in chassis department.

The differance is like having two 11&1/2 stone people sat on the bonnet.

This not only means its going to understeer a lot more, but front end tyre wear will be much higher as not only is it carrying more weight, but the same tyres are trying to transmit more torque to the road, a consideration when it comes to running costs.

So may be worth picking up the mag to get the full report see what they say.
 
J333EVO said:
IF you buy this months Auto Italia magazine it has a comparison test between the GP T & M Jets. 120bhp and 130bhp models.

There was only something like 6mpg between them, it was something like 44.5 & 49.8mpg but don't have mag at hand, so little in it.
0-60 times T-Jet 8.9secs and M-Jet 9.5secs IIRC again little in it.
Top speeds both illegal unless off public roads, were something like 120 and 124mph, so yet again little in it.

But the biggest factor I thought was this;

T-Jet kerb weight 1060kgs
M-Jet kerb weight 1205kgs

And as pointed out by Auto Italia this weight is all out front so the M-Jet is not as dynamic as T-Jet in chassis department.

The differance is like having two 11&1/2 stone people sat on the bonnet.

This not only means its going to understeer a lot more, but front end tyre wear will be much higher as not only is it carrying more weight, but the same tyres are trying to transmit more torque to the road, a consideration when it comes to running costs.

So may be worth picking up the mag to get the full report see what they say.
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It's not worth the paper it's printed on.

I still don't understand why this MJet/TJet comparison still continues in this vain. YOU WILL NOT get 44.5 mpg from a TJet! In the real world you'll get about 30mpg tops and 45mpg with the Mjet. Adopting the T-Jet to take on a hard daily commute would not only drive you insane with it's gearing but also cost a bl**dy fortune...tyre wear will be the last of your worries.

My thoughts on the Auto Italia article from a previous thread:

I agree with the decision made, but on reflection it strikes me as being quite a frivolous subject to print in such a well respected publication!?....the journalist must of been clutching at some slippery straws of wisdom and/or content this month!

One thing made clear, by reading it properly, is that this isn't a contest to determine what is the 'better car' but rather which model merits the 'sporting badge' the most. Inevitably, the lighter and sparkier T-Jet will come out on top, or at least nearer to the driving expectations of a traditional sports car, especially in the opinions of some die-hard italian car purists.

So, whilst in compliance to them crowning the deserved winner in this respect, I can't help feeling that this article was a complete waste of time and fundamentally flawed. Why review two value priced hatchbacks with warm performance intentions (Neither of these cars are meant/designed to be fast) and head them up in a similar way that a Ferrari would be reviewed!?

Being an obvious buyers market the Fiat corporation design, just like every other car manufacturer, products to satisfy a customers requirement. The MJet/TJet option is a very good example of this basic and most common of strategies......Auto Italia seem to have missed the point!
 
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