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Re: Blown Turbo

gsr/red dot correct the smoke limiter so you don't get excess smoke killing your turbo
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that was my second question, what would kill the turbo? obviously oil starvation but how does smoke cause damage?
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got ya. so basically an angel map is a basic map for the 1.9 engine and as everyone knows every engine is different. a gsr map is specific for that engine, is that right?
Thats how I see it, the rolling road checks before and after show the benefits for each bespoke map. Angel dont do the RR stuff. GSR will also advise if they suspect the motor has a defect that may be made worse by a re-map.
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I've seen numerous arguements about angel, etc and never really thought about it. But this is stone cold proof. Could be a hell of a lot of 1.9's fookin up....Lets hope there isnt so many that Fiat do a recall to change all turbos?
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angel have supposedly done quite a lot of the 1.9's. mine being one of them . I'm trying to book it in with gsr but I'm waiting on old school. me personally haven't had any problems with the car but i don't want to take any more chances with it so the maps being removed by ether fiat or taking the car to gsr and they over right it
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Re: Blown Turbo

Interesting points here...food for thought. At least it's nice to know Fiat replace blown turbo's even in remapped cars.

To djruggy & Dieseldave - did Fiat realise the ECU had been remapped?


My Angel remap is still going strong, with very little smoke...Sharkrider's done something like 40k miles with his Angel map so it can't be all bad.

What sort of miles have has anyone done with Red Dot map...do GSR do a "live" remap? Do they actually adjust the variables whilst it's on the rollers?
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oh for f*cks sake not another angel-red dot argument thread.........if so take it elsewhere.
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oh for f*cks sake not another angel-red dot argument thread.........if so take it elsewhere.
What's the problem?

We're discussing blown turbo's on rempped GPS's and seeing as GSR and Angel are the only two companies that remap them they are being discussed....Where's the arguing?
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What's the problem?

We're discussing blown turbo's on rempped GPS's and seeing as GSR and Angel are the only two companies that remap them they are being discussed....Where's the arguing?
you honestly think this thread (like so many others) wont turn into a argument!
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Hi everyone. I use to know someone who worked at the Fiat garage but they left while the car was being fixed. They knew about the ECU remap and I even asked them would it be overwritten when i got the car back?

I even got asked to give the details of where I got my car remapped a few months ago. However, Im sure Fiat would not be too happy if they found this out???? I'm not sure - perhaps others can comment on this.

I would like to get the car checked over with GSR but again it is now down to cost. I just want the car to be working at its best. After a year reading the messages on the forum I decided to go with Angel Tuning and they even offered a rolling road to show me the difference before and after. The amount of smoke that came out after the re-map was shocking, chucking out all the dirt. It is a diesel and you always get some crap coming out the exhaust when you put your foot down - or am i totally wrong here. Since I got the car back a little bit of white smoke always comes out the exhaust almost every time i start the engine. I suppose I'm keeping more of an eye on the vehicle now - is this normal or should I mention something to the garage.

Anyway, that is it all now? Look forward to reading other people's views!

Sorry if I am sounding totally dump and stupid but i'm not a mechanic and never owned a diesel car before.
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Hi Squirrel - when did you get your car re-mapped and how many miles have you done since then?
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Hi everyone. I use to know someone who worked at the Fiat garage but they left while the car was being fixed. They knew about the ECU remap and I even asked them would it be overwritten when i got the car back?

I even got asked to give the details of where I got my car remapped a few months ago. However, Im sure Fiat would not be too happy if they found this out???? I'm not sure - perhaps others can comment on this.

I would like to get the car checked over with GSR but again it is now down to cost. I just want the car to be working at its best. After a year reading the messages on the forum I decided to go with Angel Tuning and they even offered a rolling road to show me the difference before and after. The amount of smoke that came out after the re-map was shocking, chucking out all the dirt. It is a diesel and you always get some crap coming out the exhaust when you put your foot down - or am i totally wrong here. Since I got the car back a little bit of white smoke always comes out the exhaust almost every time i start the engine. I suppose I'm keeping more of an eye on the vehicle now - is this normal or should I mention something to the garage.

Anyway, that is it all now? Look forward to reading other people's views!

Sorry if I am sounding totally dump and stupid but i'm not a mechanic and never owned a diesel car before.
Good points raised here...

My Angel remap is pretty smoke free...Only shows a bit when I'm really booting it...

When did Angel do your map djruggy? Did you have the standard map put back on after the new turbo was fitted? Did you ever get the car rolling roaded?

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Hi Squirrel - when did you get your car re-mapped and how many miles have you done since then?
i had it done in November and have covered about 5k. i had it rr at 154bhp at the fly. the only problems i have had were a bit of smoke at high revs 4k upwards while on the rollers. its not a bad map, just could be improved
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and a stilo
and.....
quite a few 147s, 156s
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