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Hi everyone. I use to know someone who worked at the Fiat garage but they left while the car was being fixed. They knew about the ECU remap and I even asked them would it be overwritten when i got the car back?

I even got asked to give the details of where I got my car remapped a few months ago. However, Im sure Fiat would not be too happy if they found this out???? I'm not sure - perhaps others can comment on this.

I would like to get the car checked over with GSR but again it is now down to cost. I just want the car to be working at its best. After a year reading the messages on the forum I decided to go with Angel Tuning and they even offered a rolling road to show me the difference before and after. The amount of smoke that came out after the re-map was shocking, chucking out all the dirt. It is a diesel and you always get some crap coming out the exhaust when you put your foot down - or am i totally wrong here. Since I got the car back a little bit of white smoke always comes out the exhaust almost every time i start the engine. I suppose I'm keeping more of an eye on the vehicle now - is this normal or should I mention something to the garage.

Anyway, that is it all now? Look forward to reading other people's views! :)

Sorry if I am sounding totally dump and stupid but i'm not a mechanic and never owned a diesel car before.
 
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Hi Squirrel - when did you get your car re-mapped and how many miles have you done since then?
 
djruggy said:
Hi everyone. I use to know someone who worked at the Fiat garage but they left while the car was being fixed. They knew about the ECU remap and I even asked them would it be overwritten when i got the car back?

I even got asked to give the details of where I got my car remapped a few months ago. However, Im sure Fiat would not be too happy if they found this out???? I'm not sure - perhaps others can comment on this.

I would like to get the car checked over with GSR but again it is now down to cost. I just want the car to be working at its best. After a year reading the messages on the forum I decided to go with Angel Tuning and they even offered a rolling road to show me the difference before and after. The amount of smoke that came out after the re-map was shocking, chucking out all the dirt. It is a diesel and you always get some crap coming out the exhaust when you put your foot down - or am i totally wrong here. Since I got the car back a little bit of white smoke always comes out the exhaust almost every time i start the engine. I suppose I'm keeping more of an eye on the vehicle now - is this normal or should I mention something to the garage.

Anyway, that is it all now? Look forward to reading other people's views! :)

Sorry if I am sounding totally dump and stupid but i'm not a mechanic and never owned a diesel car before.
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Good points raised here...

My Angel remap is pretty smoke free...Only shows a bit when I'm really booting it...

When did Angel do your map djruggy? Did you have the standard map put back on after the new turbo was fitted? Did you ever get the car rolling roaded?

Cheers mate....
 
djruggy said:
Hi Squirrel - when did you get your car re-mapped and how many miles have you done since then?
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i had it done in November and have covered about 5k. i had it rr at 154bhp at the fly. the only problems i have had were a bit of smoke at high revs 4k upwards while on the rollers. its not a bad map, just could be improved
 
Squirrel said:
that was my second question, what would kill the turbo? obviously oil starvation but how does smoke cause damage?
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The unburnt fuel is what slowly kills the turbo bearings, which is seen as smoking. When the smoking occurs regularly and excessively under hard acceleration it is time to worry about it.

We have proven that evry engine behaves slightly or even more than slightly different. This is the sole reason, why we do every car on the rollers. Also on the before run it can be seen, whether the car has got some underlying problems, which would have adverse effects when being mapped. Only for those reasons it is not advisable to do the map on the doorstep.

This is facts and therefore there is NO necessity to turn this into a debate. I personally can't care less whether people go to us or anyone else, as I have got far more work than I really want to either way.
 
Worrying times for us "Angel" boys....

Question for Oldschool or PK...would using a premium diesel (V Power or BP ultimate) help? Or is there anything else that can be done besides remapping again that can help ensure the turbo's remain intact?

Thanks guys...
 
Hi shropshire_lad - I had mine remapped in February - so really not that long ago. Had done 4,000 miles. As for the premium diesel I was using BP Ultimate occasionally but not all the time when filling up. I struggle to believe that would really be an issue but perhaps someone else can comment on the different quality of fuels out there.

As for the performance of the car now - I still have not really pushed the car too hard yet, I'm being very cautious. But when I asked the garage they said there was no reason to touch the ECU and put it back to default.
 
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I cant speak for Oldschool but the way I see it is that a badly done map will cause overfueling and the excess fuel is rinsing the lube from the turbo bearings. So in my mind the perceived quality of the fuel wont have anything to do with the failure of the bearings in the turbo, its the quantity of fuel.
 
Shropshire_lad said:
Worrying times for us "Angel" boys....

Question for Oldschool or PK...would using a premium diesel (V Power or BP ultimate) help? Or is there anything else that can be done besides remapping again that can help ensure the turbo's remain intact?

Thanks guys...
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Quality of fuel shouldn't have anything to do with it, as its more to do with the fuel air mix. Correct me if i'm wrong.
 
puntokris said:
Quality of fuel shouldn't have anything to do with it, as its more to do with the fuel air mix. Correct me if i'm wrong.
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Thanks all.... V Power has burns more efficiently...apparently?

Time for me to think about my map. Then again it seems Fiat are keen enough to replace any blown Turbo's under warranty, so I might carry on for now, especially as mine doesn't smoke much at all.

Kris...did your's smoke much beofre the improved induction?
 
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Shropshire_lad said:
Thanks all.... V Power has burns more efficiently...apparently?

Time for me to think about my map. Then again it seems Fiat are keen enough to replace any blown Turbo's under warranty, so I might carry on for now, especially as mine doesn't smoke much at all.

Kris...did your's smoke much beofre the improved induction?
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It will burn more efficiently, as it usually gives better mpg but not enough to say that smoking is down to poor fuel.

Yes it smoked more than before, all remapped diesels without proper induction and appropriate do. You will be hard pushed to find a remap on its own with no smoke under very hard acceleration.
 
Im abit lost. Fiat must spend quite abit of time testing an engine and making components like clutches etc, to work with the power of that engine. So does it not occur to those of you getting re-maps done that maybe the car was running at 130bhp for a reason? Maybe that it wasn't meant to run at 150bhp or 160bhp or whatever figure someone decides they want from it?

Why spend 10k on a car and then go and completely change it? Just buy a more powerful car to start with. I think Fiat should look at these faults more thoroughly & see if they are caused by re-mapping, then bill people for the turbos accordingly.

I know this won't win me many fans, but from seeing these constant discussions about remaps ive just about seen enough.
 
JTD_Liam said:
Im abit lost. Fiat must spend quite abit of time testing an engine and making components like clutches etc, to work with the power of that engine. So does it not occur to those of you getting re-maps done that maybe the car was running at 130bhp for a reason? Maybe that it wasn't meant to run at 150bhp or 160bhp or whatever figure someone decides they want from it?

Why spend 10k on a car and then go and completely change it? Just buy a more powerful car to start with. I think Fiat should look at these faults more thoroughly & see if they are caused by re-mapping, then bill people for the turbos accordingly.

I know this won't win me many fans, but from seeing these constant discussions about remaps ive just about seen enough.
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Who let my dad in?


Car enthusiasts like to modify their cars, maybe the insurance is too much for alot of people. The increase seems worth it for the money by the average fiat driver. Its a car forum, what did you expect?

If nobody talked about technical modifictions and performance then the section would be boring and full of 'warranty work' and 'niggly fault' threads.... Oh wait isn't that what the grande punto section is full of anyway?
 
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Maybe that it wasn't meant to run at 150bhp or 160bhp or whatever figure someone decides they want from it?

Why spend 10k on a car and then go and completely change it? Just buy a more powerful car to start with. [/quote]

because there are no 160 bhp standard 3 door diesels around in the same class, thats why ! Well apart from the ibiza cupra tdi but they no longer build them and there are insurance group 16 i think !

Just for info on my blown turbo....it was replaced about 5K after the remap..Ive never had loads of smoke, however on start up there is white smoke.

I cant really go back to Angel as its a bit too late and they offer no guarantee so cant really do anything...im not saying im holding blame on the remap as i drive pretty hard alot of the time which could be the main reason why.

I also got told off a trader friend that fiats are known to have turbo problems on the 1.9 deisels (well the 115Bhps ones at least) and was slightly reluctant in the first place to have this map done for that same reason.

Ive used 3 different companies to remap my various cars over the years and i will be using a difffernt the next time.
 
T14086 said:
they do;)
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Glad to hear it. £1500 is alot of money to spend on a warranty repair if it was found out to be caused or partially caused as a result of something beyond the manufacturers control.

As i said earlier, i didnt expect to win many fans for that post, but i just don't get the idea of buying a car, only to try and turn it into something else. I apologise for this, but that's just how i see it.
 
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