What did everyone vote, and what are your expectations going forward with the new independence thing..

I voted 'out' and was unexpectedly happy this morning, I thought it would have went the same way as the independence referendum.. everyone saying out, but voting in..

Anyhoo.. I was a bit disappointed that David Cameron spat the dummy.. yes his position would have been difficult, and yes he is so far up the EU's bum its unreal, BUT, I would have liked him to come out and be the bigger man, stand up for his speech this morning and say that he is willing to accept what the public had voted for, and that he would do his best to do what was needed.. but like a spoiled brat, he quit..

Teresa May has been touted as his replacement I hear... but then ive also heard BoJo's name mentioned as well... I don't know much about either of them, but what I like about BoJo is that although he comes across as a bumbling idiot, he is passionate about Britain, and he seems like you could sit and have a natter with him down the pub. he seems approachable and willing to listen.

Nicola Sturgeon... I used to like her, and her predecessor Alex Salmond. Don't hear much about big Alec nowadays, even though he is pulling the strings in the SNP. Nicola needs to wind her neck in about the Indy2 rubbish... We have already voted NO, we are a democracy, leave it at that Nic.. (BTW I was an independence supporter, but accepted that the majority vote won.) The SNP are playing by playground rules with it.. next one we win... best of 3, no... best of 5 now..... next goal wins.... I'm fed up, I'm going home and I'm taking my ball with me..

Wont be voting for independence the next time round, c'mon GB!!!

Whats everyone elses thoughts?

I voted out and now I'm waiting for the referendum on independence

Well both sides did such a thorough job of persuading me I didn't want to vote for them I didn't vote. What an awful campaign. Looks like the folks in Westminster are really going to be earning their expenses for the next few years anyway. I rather felt that the country will just carry on anyway whichever way the vote went, can't imagine the cities will be burning and thousands will be camped out at Dover waiting to be let into France in a years time.

There was probably no banter this time because it got a little heated over the indy ref with some of us...ok a few of us...ok yes two of us arguing back and forth for days with increasingly longer posts on our position. For the record I'm quite proud of the fact that Mark and I have managed to remain friends despite having pretty much polar positions on politics :lol:

Anyhoo, like Andrew I thought the campaigns were dreadful and although there was never a question of me not voting I didn't know what I was doing right up until I was walking down to the polling station. I could see the pros and cons for both sides and swithered almost daily between leave and remain. I was even considering spoiling my ballot paper which I've always thought to be a cop out. In the end though I voted remain simply because I don't have enough faith in our politicians to get it right and the savings we'll make from being out of Europe both monetary and legislatorial are likely to be wasted here instead without the added benefit of being part of a larger organisation. And there are many benefits to being in the EU

As for callmedave resigning, imo he's done the right thing for the country. He doesn't believe in brexit and consequently he knows he's not right for the negotiations. What we need now is a leader who can be an absolute barracuda of a divorce lawyer to get the right deal for us. On another forum I've seen Cameron referred to as the Neville Chamberlain of our time and I think that's a good analogy. What we need now is our Winston Churchill to step up and make sure we get the best deal for Britain possible.

And do you really want to get me started on indy ref2? All I'll say is I hope to god it doesn't happen if the SNP continue with their current populist policies that are actually crap when you start delving deeper. They need to start governing properly and stop behaving like the useless parent that wants so desperately to be liked by their offspring they let them do what they like and sod the consequences.

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There was probably no banter this time because it got a little heated over the indy ref with some of us...ok a few of us...ok yes two of us arguing back and forth for days with increasingly longer posts on our position. For the record I'm quite proud of the fact that Mark and I have managed to remain friends despite having pretty much polar positions on politics :lol:

Anyhoo, like Andrew I thought the campaigns were dreadful and although there was never a question of me not voting I didn't know what I was doing right up until I was walking down to the polling station. I could see the pros and cons for both sides and swithered almost daily between leave and remain. I was even considering spoiling my ballot paper which I've always thought to be a cop out. In the end though I voted remain simply because I don't have enough faith in our politicians to get it right and the savings we'll make from being out of Europe both monetary and legislatorial are likely to be wasted here instead without the added benefit of being part of a larger organisation. And there are many benefits to being in the EU

As for callmedave resigning, imo he's done the right thing for the country. He doesn't believe in brexit and consequently he knows he's not right for the negotiations. What we need now is a leader who can be an absolute barracuda of a divorce lawyer to get the right deal for us. On another forum I've seen Cameron referred to as the Neville Chamberlain of our time and I think that's a good analogy. What we need now is our Winston Churchill to step up and make sure we get the best deal for Britain possible.

And do you really want to get me started on indy ref2? All I'll say is I hope to god it doesn't happen if the SNP continue with their current populist policies that are actually crap when you start delving deeper. They need to start governing properly and stop behaving like the useless parent that wants so desperately to be liked by their offspring they let them do what they like and sod the consequences.

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:lol: In a strange way though, we must have gone full circle since then, because i fully agree with about 95% of that post.

An utterly, utterly dreadful campaign by both sides. I also genuinely considered going into the polling station and drawing a set of ******** on the ballot paper. In fact 2 days before the referendum, i'd swung from a remain to doing just that.

However ended up voting remain, basically on the same basis as Harper. The "savings", well i'm not convinced there genuinely are any. People go on about the money we put to the EU, but we also receive a lot of benefits in terms of trade and investment as well as freedom to work in other EU countries and vice versa. I totally disagree with the leave camps immigration stance and claims and feel overall they make a significant and important contribution to out countries and economy. The lack of specific details on many key areas just couldn't swing me round to convincing me that losing a lot of that would see us overall better off. Especially as our economy was likely to take a hit, i felt any "savings" would be wiped out long before we even got to losing trade benefits.

I'm not an EU fanboy, i don't agree with a lot of what they do or what they bring, i think they bring a lot of red tape we don't need but among that there is also legal protection to a certain degree, and as Westminster seeks to scrap the Human rights act and the like, i felt more comfortable putting up with the negatives of the EU than taking a gamble on giving full power to a Government i have no faith with.

I do still believe in Scottish independence, but i do not believe now is the time for the Scottish Government to be calling for it, there are still a lot of things that need sorted out before we get to a stage where we are there in a position to try to make it happen, it's a different proposition now altogether and a lot more complex. A lot of details need laid down long before anything is called, we need a much clearer picture of what an independent Scotland would be and what it's place in the world would be before we go there. I also feel the SNP are trying to hard to be liked and a lot of the time aren't seen as strong enough, they'd rather do the wrong popular thing than the right one. Too much playing to the galleries. Until that stops and they can be firm, decisive and clear then regardless, i don't see any Indyref2 being winnable or desirable. Especially so soon after the last one. For me, it's probably too soon, 5-10 years seems more logical under better circumstances. Don't get me wrong, i want it to happen still and i'm still a "yes", but not with the same arguments as before now the situation has changed, we need a different case put forward and if that case was not put forward satisfactorily, then i too would be considering against it.

I think as a nation as a whole, We should let the dust settle, get more information out there, and come back to the table with clearer heads. A lot may depend on whatever deal is struck between the EU and UK anyway, if it's relatively favorable (or at least tailored to suit the needs of the country) then there may not even be the general hunger for yet another risk on the back of this one and could well be a huge embarrassing flop. On the flip side if the Brexit doesn't yeild positive results, it could play into Indyref2's hands, it's a time for cool heads, not reactionary gambles.

The problem for our FM is she's got a fine line to tread atm. She needs to continue to appeal to the hard-core independence supporters whilst trying to do what's in the country's best interests and another indyref right now is definitely not that. Hence the style of the wording she's currently using such as "back on the table" "try to block" etc. etc. It all sounds like she's doing something positive but the reality is it's all just words.

Does anyone think Corbyn will last the night? With 2/3rds of the shadow cabinet either resigning or sacked and a massive no confidence vote surely he has to give in and step down. Right?

He's still in as of now.

I think it was Mark who tweeted last night with the suggestion - but could it be linked to next weeks (eventual) publication of the Chilcott Whitewash...sorry, erm, enquiry?

Well the UK may have voted to leave but that does not mean it will actually happen an application still has to be an official application made and there does not seem to be an leadership of any kind running the UK at the moment. Not to mention a vote still has to go through the house of lords before any application can be made. Whatever happens I can see there being any change for the common person for at least a couple of years. Eat sleep work repeat Will go on as normal for the vast majority.