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Old 31-05-2014   #16
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Electric steering's great for pottering around town when you want it to light, but a nightmare when trying to park as you don't have much feedback from it.

Older cars without power steering, bit heavy for town driving but you got used to it, great for parking.

Having said that I never liked the steering on the Panda, far too light, the Grande's Steering's perfectly weighted I feel, but as I said not so brilliant when trying to park in a Multi Storey Car park & not as manoeuvrable as a Doblo.
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This post confuses me, it's pretty much the exact opposite of what a driver would report.

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Electric steering's great for pottering around town when you want it to light, but a nightmare when trying to park as you don't have much feedback from it.

Older cars without power steering, bit heavy for town driving but you got used to it, great for parking.
Electric steering is still generally a bit rubbish compared to a hydraulic system. Even the best ones aren't quite there and are inconsistent in feedback. The very best Hydraulic systems 10 years ago were vastly superior and damn near as good for feel as non pas cars. As for parking, you don't really need any kind of feedback... unless you're trying to park at 50mph, in which case you're doing it wrong.

No power steering great for parking? erm.... ok.

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Having said that I never liked the steering on the Panda, far too light, the Grande's Steering's perfectly weighted I feel, but as I said not so brilliant when trying to park in a Multi Storey Car park & not as manoeuvrable as a Doblo.
that's steering lock (maybe even gearing), not feel. Feel is more how connected to how the car feels in your hands, telling you what the front wheels "feel", the road surface, the grip or lack of on corner entry through the weight, feel gives you confidence to drive a car how you want to drive it.
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What I meant for the Panda is the steering feels too light when you turn the wheel.
The Sei had a much better feel to the steering than the panda I'd had before that.
The GP's steering's nice, but it could be the steering lock & lack of being able to see where the car ends that makes it hard to park in a Multi Storey.

I've only had 1 car without power steering & that was my little Citroen Saxo
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It's getting worse with the government announcing they're going to allow driverless cars on the road from next year

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28551069

How many years do we think it'll be before you have to pay a premium to buy and insure a car you are actually in control of? I think I'd better buy that classic panda sooner rather than later
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We were debating this at coffee time and I'm actually astounded by the number of our students who think it's a great idea. As far as they're concerned it gives them more time to browse the web, read and do other stuff. I swear none of them drive for enjoyment. They should just get the freaking bus leaving the roads clear for people who actually like to drive
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We were debating this at coffee time and I'm actually astounded by the number of our students who think it's a great idea. As far as they're concerned it gives them more time to browse the web, read and do other stuff. I swear none of them drive for enjoyment. They should just get the freaking bus leaving the roads clear for people who actually like to drive
Amen.

It's a modern trend though, look at the cars on sale and what the makers are targeting in the market, Generally, all that makers sell are numb/bland techno-boxes with tft displays (for no apparent reason other than to appeal to the ipod generation), auto lights, wipers etc. The only people who WANT that are people who don't really "like" cars, they are just tools that they want to do a job and give them the minimum of fuss and forget about at the end of the day, white goods. Zanussi and Hotpoint could branch into the car market and produce a car with the same flair as 99% of the market.

I also have a theory that as cars get easier to drive and the roads are filled with more people who don't really like driving and are reliant on all these driving assists, driving standards are going to plummet. People who don't like driving are generally **** drivers who just get where they need to be with "meh". Minimum of care and effort, on bordeline autopilot.
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