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Old 11-08-2019   #16
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Re: X244 brake light switch, it's a bitch!

Hugh,

The black and white switch linked to by you is the NO + NC version used with cruise control, which is what started this saga. There are obviously implications for anyone wish to change either version.

Ociwobio,

In view of your suggestion I have checked 2.8mm female blade connectors against my recovered switch. Blade width tolerance is tight. Pre-insulated terminals did not want to fit, but I was sucessful with two versions of uninsulated terminals.

If you can manage either grinding, or filing that is the best course to follow.

The alternative connector to which you refer is probably D001B, Front Dash Connector. It is located above the LHS fusebox. eLearn has it as 18 way, and then goes on to list 19 terminals. It is actually a 20 way connector. I carried out a diode test from there to the appropriate fuse terminal when the indicator did not come at first test.
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Re: X244 brake light switch, it's a bitch!

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Hugh,, I was trying to get the switch out and putting as much force on it as I dared, and lo! The seperate part you refer to did indeed disengage at one side, and i could have easily got the top half off. But! I was wary that springs and contacts would shoot hither and yon, and if that was so, then putting the other one in thus wise would be impossible. When the old one is out, I will try pulling the parts from each other, see if that is an option for the other sufferes out there, but until then, not risking it, lol.
...yeah, I should read more carefully, as I see you touched on this above.

I must admit, I'd be tempted to buy the replacement switch and bench dismantle it to see how easy it would be to re-construct in situ.

At the aftermarket prices show here:

https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=s...953&sku=271139

(and I can find cheaper) I'd be sorely tempted to give this a try before attempting surgery.......

This current thread might "amuse"....

https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum.../#post-3450629
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Re: X244 brake light switch, it's a bitch!

Hugh,

Having been through this exercise, I would not recommend trying to reassemble the switch while lying with your head wedged under the pedals, and with very limited access for your hands.

Thanks for the link to the crowbar technique. It must have been a very short crowbar. Tyre lever perhaps? To be of any help, it would be necessary to permanently deform the steelwork behind the switch. Not the best of ideas, considering that it appears to be part of the steering column support.


Following links on this forum, I have browsed the Italian "Camperonline" forum thread on fitting cruise control. While changing the switch was mentioned, no problems are reported. Could it be that our RHD vehicles are assembled in a different factory, and their assembly robots are not set up correctly?
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Re: X244 brake light switch, it's a bitch!

Communicator...
Last night I arrived at the same conclusion just as I dozed off- the LHD vehicle owners reported no problems changing the switch. So! It is a conspiracy against RHD owners.
Well, maybe not, lol, but it looks like it is easier that side of the cab.

Reading your post above, you have been where I am going with this, have you not? I had Multiecuscan on the job last week, and tried the cruise light activation- it failed. There is a cruise control force re-learn on it, but until all parts are installed, no point (and maybe risky) trying it. I also could not get the glowplug, overheat, and sundry other lamps to light, but they have done so in the past.
So, did you end up doing the bridge connexions at the pedal switch, or the D001B connector? If the latter, which pins? Did you get the light to work, and how? The camperonline thread is long, I have to auto translate so errors creep in, which need to watched out for. Did you get any pics along the way?
BTW, when time to test it comes, does the light come on when swichng control on at a stand ? Or does it not 'wake up' until over 40kph?
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Re: X244 brake light switch, it's a bitch!

Ocwobio,

Since the questions posed relate to cruise control, I have posted my reply on that thread.
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Re: X244 brake light switch, it's a bitch!

As an aside to all this, if there is such a thing as an olde tyme parts factor, maybe taking in an old switch and asking if the can have a root thru their hopefully large stocks and find on that satisfies the crucial dimensions and fitting method, but is made with a right angle connector, which could then be made to fit. If the bayonet only goes one way, (there is a tang on it but it may have 2 recesses in the mounting plate 180 degrees apart, which is not possible to see so would need to be sorted by feel) then plugging connector in before turning and locking into position.

BITD there would have been paper catalogs with drawings and dimensions in. Luxury!

Communicator- you refererred to a 'slot' behind your switch, I did not have this to contend with, just an angle on a cross piece that angled down towards the connector plug. That was in retrospect a pain but able to be dealt with without surgery or bending the bracket as I was first inclined to try. I don't know if my pic shows in enough detail? I would have thought it being Fiat structure, it was the same. Never mind, 'tis dealt with now on my wagon.

The MoHoFun post seems quite grim, vehicle being stopped because of said switch. Really? I could maybe now help the guy, but the forum there wants me to pay to be able to reply and as the free site is read only, it is not helpful to paid members in a hole. I have had this before where I could have helped. It seems too that it is mostly a social thing for cliques to natter on!
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Re: X244 brake light switch, it's a bitch!

For "slot" please see photo. I am not pleased with the standard of my filing, to the right of the switch in photo, but it worked for me.
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Re: X244 brake light switch, it's a bitch!

Haha! It looks all too familiar! Was it only yesterday.......?
Indeed it was. It is identical to my set up, I see where you filed it. It doesn't look that bad, you are too modest- remember just how bad access is, and take a crumb of comfort.
As I said, I would be able to cope now, I believe. If I had been as badly stumped as I thought I was, I could have broken the old one off, it occurs to me, and just used heatshrink insulated spades on the new switch, and as long as they fit well enough I reckon it would be Ok. I have had a look on the Intermotor online catalog for stoplight swsitches, and there are lots that only connect with plain spades, and even come with them.
IMHO IO think I should present you with a 'virtual medal' for your kind help, and filing under duress! Cheers!!
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