Technical Fiat Ducato 10 TD SWB 1994 Camper clutch crunch

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Technical Fiat Ducato 10 TD SWB 1994 Camper clutch crunch

Aryhian

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Hi All
Glad to find the forum. I recently bought this van and it crunches going into 2nd. Have spoken to a few gearbox places in Somerset and they say they cannot fix as the camper is too old. The van runs fine otherwise just wondering if a replacement gearbox would be available should it break down? Any advice?
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suggest you try double de clutching all gears might help as synchros get worn
 
You can also try changing the gearbox oil. Use 10/30 auto tranny oil - non synthetic. Can do wonders for synchros.
 
Make sure the cable is properly adjusted and that the clutch frees when the pedal is about half way down. Beware of too-thin gearbox oil if you are in a warm climate or the van is a heavy coach-built model. I use SAE90/140EP and have done so for many years. Overfill slightly, it does no harm.
 
Make sure the cable is properly adjusted and that the clutch frees when the pedal is about half way down. Beware of too-thin gearbox oil if you are in a warm climate or the van is a heavy coach-built model. I use SAE90/140EP and have done so for many years. Overfill slightly, it does no harm.

So, Oz is not too hot for thin oil huh? As a Mazda dealer for many years here, we refilled with auto oil on cars with crunchy synchros. Never had a gearbox failure as a result. What is the harm in trying when looking at replacement as the alternative.....
 
I am aware that ATF is gaining ground for gearbox lubrication - my Jeep Compass uses ATF4 in a 6-speed manual gearbox, and we notice an easy change without crunching, although with 20,000 miles only recorded it had better still be in as-new condition. However you try putting ATF in certain gearboxes, my old Volvo F10 pulling 45 tons loaded with concrete for example, with a 3-speed synchro box plus range change and splitter, and I doubt it would run long before total gearbox failure occurred within a matter of hours. It has an oil temperature control system using the radiator refrigerant and uses SAE90/140EP.

The makers recommendation is always the one to go for, unless circumstances push you in some other direction such as excessive whine or poor synchro operation, and what you choose to replace it with is a matter largely of personal opinion. However these old Fiat boxes are hard to get spares for, so making do with what you have and taking care is the usual case.

I chose SAE90/140EP for my slightly worn box because it's what I read recommended in some tech book or other, which warned about using it where phosphor bronze components may be met with. I don't think the Fiat box has any, the spare box I have and took apart hasn't any anyway. Our climate is as hot and dry as yours reaching 110+ at times in summer, in Las Negras, Almeria Province, Andalucia, Spain. But a motor-home may travel to Arctic climates too, not to be forgotten.

Because the Fiat gear linkage is such a mess, slow and steady changes are called for anyway, which should help the worn synchro, if indeed it is worn so much.
 
I am aware that ATF is gaining ground for gearbox lubrication - my Jeep Compass uses ATF4 in a 6-speed manual gearbox, and we notice an easy change without crunching, although with 20,000 miles only recorded it had better still be in as-new condition. However you try putting ATF in certain gearboxes, my old Volvo F10 pulling 45 tons loaded with concrete for example, with a 3-speed synchro box plus range change and splitter, and I doubt it would run long before total gearbox failure occurred within a matter of hours. It has an oil temperature control system using the radiator refrigerant and uses SAE90/140EP.

The makers recommendation is always the one to go for, unless circumstances push you in some other direction such as excessive whine or poor synchro operation, and what you choose to replace it with is a matter largely of personal opinion. However these old Fiat boxes are hard to get spares for, so making do with what you have and taking care is the usual case.

I chose SAE90/140EP for my slightly worn box because it's what I read recommended in some tech book or other, which warned about using it where phosphor bronze components may be met with. I don't think the Fiat box has any, the spare box I have and took apart hasn't any anyway. Our climate is as hot and dry as yours reaching 110+ at times in summer, in Las Negras, Almeria Province, Andalucia, Spain. But a motor-home may travel to Arctic climates too, not to be forgotten.

Because the Fiat gear linkage is such a mess, slow and steady changes are called for anyway, which should help the worn synchro, if indeed it is worn so much.

I appreciate your comments and would not recommend such oil for heavy machinery. Don't think the Fiat falls into that category. My final comment was "why not try it" if the alternative was to replace the box. What is there to lose? Your comment re Arctic conditions - the ATF would be far better in that circumstance anyway.
 
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