Does anyone know where to down load a service manual /workshop manual?
General Ducato 2.8 2005
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General Ducato 2.8 2005
Try the forum downlods section here: https://www.fiatforum.com/downloads.php?categoryid=22
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manual is rubish . Got a refund on it
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Put this up somewhere... cant find it.
Here goes again. The wipers wont cancel. Electrician. dosnt have a wiring diagraham.
Any Ideas what might be the cause?
Where might I find a wiring diagraham?
HELP, regards, John
Here goes again. The wipers wont cancel. Electrician. dosnt have a wiring diagraham.
Any Ideas what might be the cause?
Where might I find a wiring diagraham?
HELP, regards, John
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I did a double take on this when I realised you first asked about the manual in 2016 so assume that was for a different issue back then and the wipers are a new fault now?
From previously owning a 2005 2.8 and experiencing a similarly weird electrical problem, I don't believe this model has a canbus system where lots of functions are controlled by the BCM so my first stab at this fault would be to try a different wiper switch.
It probably won't be as easy as this and I'd then be looking for harness issues: deteriorated lucar connectors; chafed looms; poor earths.. It could even be an internal fault within the wiper motor; this again could be checked by temporally hooking a different one up to the harness.
From previously owning a 2005 2.8 and experiencing a similarly weird electrical problem, I don't believe this model has a canbus system where lots of functions are controlled by the BCM so my first stab at this fault would be to try a different wiper switch.
It probably won't be as easy as this and I'd then be looking for harness issues: deteriorated lucar connectors; chafed looms; poor earths.. It could even be an internal fault within the wiper motor; this again could be checked by temporally hooking a different one up to the harness.
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Auto electrician has done some tests on the wiper motor seemed ok. Will have to wait and see if they can come up with. Rather he wait till he gets info. that an muddle around at my expense. Hoping with the current merger of Fiat with Chrysler & Peugeot service might improve.
Thanks for the comment, John
Thanks for the comment, John
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I can confirm that a 2.8JTD will not have a BCM, as this was introduced with x250 models (2006 onweards).
Perhaps the following link will help. http://4cardata.info/elearn/244/2/244000001/244000003/244000005/244001727
Please note that there many errors in eLearn, hence use as guide only. An example of an error in eLearn is, the two common contacts of the two relays (electronic modules?) shown embedded in the motor assembly. What do these connect to? They will not function as shown.
As regards parking, the operational description mentions a signal (earth?) being sent from pin A2 of the stalk unit. From the diagram this wire is colour coded HN ( Grey/Black) to pin 2 of the wiper motor unit (N015). This does not make sense, as the motor parking contact already has earth from earth point C010 applied to it. Perhaps, contrary to what is stated, the signal is extended from the motor unit to the column unit, which then sends power to the motor until the parking switch operates.
Perhaps the following link will help. http://4cardata.info/elearn/244/2/244000001/244000003/244000005/244001727
Please note that there many errors in eLearn, hence use as guide only. An example of an error in eLearn is, the two common contacts of the two relays (electronic modules?) shown embedded in the motor assembly. What do these connect to? They will not function as shown.
As regards parking, the operational description mentions a signal (earth?) being sent from pin A2 of the stalk unit. From the diagram this wire is colour coded HN ( Grey/Black) to pin 2 of the wiper motor unit (N015). This does not make sense, as the motor parking contact already has earth from earth point C010 applied to it. Perhaps, contrary to what is stated, the signal is extended from the motor unit to the column unit, which then sends power to the motor until the parking switch operates.
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Re: Ducato 2.8 2005 WIPERS
Still going with this one.. Thanks for the help so far.
Reluctant to pull things apart until I know possible causes.
Fault is: No operation on intermittent, works normally speed one, normally speed two. One wipe works but only while the lever is held. Never parks correctly. I found out today that washers dont work. Have read on this web site this exact problem but never heard what the fix was. Cant find it now. Im sure someone knows enough to diagnose this problem. HERE HOPEING
Still going with this one.. Thanks for the help so far.
Reluctant to pull things apart until I know possible causes.
Fault is: No operation on intermittent, works normally speed one, normally speed two. One wipe works but only while the lever is held. Never parks correctly. I found out today that washers dont work. Have read on this web site this exact problem but never heard what the fix was. Cant find it now. Im sure someone knows enough to diagnose this problem. HERE HOPEING
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Hi John,
From consulting eLearn via 4cardata herehttp://4cardata.info/elearn/244/2/244000001/244000003/244000005/244001727, the only common point between the screen wipers and washers is the steering column unit.
As I have previously stated, use eLearn as a guide only. It does not show the full picture, and may include errors.
eLearn shows a 3 brush wiper motor to provide the two wiper speeds. This stirred an ancient memory, but I had to seek the help of my geekish son to find the following reference, which I am including here for interest only. http://what-when-how.com/automobile/windscreen-wipers-and-washers-automobile/
The above link confirmed that the centre or middle brush on the motor is used for the higher speed wiping action.
I still have a surplus Alfa 147 column stalk unit, from which I cannibalised the cruise control switch for my x244. With curiosity aroused I took the cover off the wiper section. I was quite surprised to find one largish relay (20mm cube, for wipers?), and a smaller one ,(for washer?) all squeezed onto a shaped PCB together with what could be a 20? pin microprocessor, 7 transistors, and other electronic components.
The x244 Ducato version will be simpler, but at the moment it would appear to be your prime suspect.
If what I now think is a missing connection between the two common contacts of the relays in the motor assembly, is added to the eLearn diagram, it makes sense.
Suggested Tests
1. Check fuse F43 (15A Blue) at LH end of bottom row in LH cab fusebox. This fuse supplies the column switch unit, probably the electronics.
2. To prove the motor parking contact. Unplug the motor unit, and with wipers not parked, test for a connection between pins 1 and 6. Is this what your Auto Electrician did?
3. To check for parking signal to motor. Unplug motor with wipers not parked. Apply a short between between pins 1 and 6 of the harness connector. Select column switch to Off, and prepare to check with multimeter for 12V between harness pin 3 (+ve), and pin 5. Switch ignition On. Pin 5 should be at 0V (earth) via electronics? to provide parking signal to drive the motor to the parking position at speed one.
Please take care as motor supply is fused at 30A
I hope that some of the above will help.
Please report on final fix.
From consulting eLearn via 4cardata herehttp://4cardata.info/elearn/244/2/244000001/244000003/244000005/244001727, the only common point between the screen wipers and washers is the steering column unit.
As I have previously stated, use eLearn as a guide only. It does not show the full picture, and may include errors.
eLearn shows a 3 brush wiper motor to provide the two wiper speeds. This stirred an ancient memory, but I had to seek the help of my geekish son to find the following reference, which I am including here for interest only. http://what-when-how.com/automobile/windscreen-wipers-and-washers-automobile/
The above link confirmed that the centre or middle brush on the motor is used for the higher speed wiping action.
I still have a surplus Alfa 147 column stalk unit, from which I cannibalised the cruise control switch for my x244. With curiosity aroused I took the cover off the wiper section. I was quite surprised to find one largish relay (20mm cube, for wipers?), and a smaller one ,(for washer?) all squeezed onto a shaped PCB together with what could be a 20? pin microprocessor, 7 transistors, and other electronic components.
The x244 Ducato version will be simpler, but at the moment it would appear to be your prime suspect.
If what I now think is a missing connection between the two common contacts of the relays in the motor assembly, is added to the eLearn diagram, it makes sense.
Suggested Tests
1. Check fuse F43 (15A Blue) at LH end of bottom row in LH cab fusebox. This fuse supplies the column switch unit, probably the electronics.
2. To prove the motor parking contact. Unplug the motor unit, and with wipers not parked, test for a connection between pins 1 and 6. Is this what your Auto Electrician did?
3. To check for parking signal to motor. Unplug motor with wipers not parked. Apply a short between between pins 1 and 6 of the harness connector. Select column switch to Off, and prepare to check with multimeter for 12V between harness pin 3 (+ve), and pin 5. Switch ignition On. Pin 5 should be at 0V (earth) via electronics? to provide parking signal to drive the motor to the parking position at speed one.
Please take care as motor supply is fused at 30A
I hope that some of the above will help.
Please report on final fix.
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Thanks for your help.. FIXED. Fuse F43 was the problem. No not blown. Missing.
Long story why which dosnt matter. Appreciate the help.
