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Old 03-04-2007   #31
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Re: Doblo Speeding Warning - IMPORTANT

In that case you should ring up the DVLA and ask them what your car is classed as, and if you are bound by the 60mph rule on the dual carriageways - ie. if you are classed as a commercial vehicle.

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The plate under my 06 1.9 multijet dynamic just says
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But no mention of what these figures actually are for - although I assume the 1 & 2 are front & rear.
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Re: Doblo Speeding Warning - IMPORTANT

Yes, the first one is the gross weight of the vehicle, the second is the train weight (gross + 1100kg trailer) and as you said 1and2 are the front and rear axle weights
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Fiat Dobl Cargo 1.3JTD - Tested February 2006


It's worth noting that its gross weight means that Dobl Cargo is allowed to travel at 70mph on motorways and dual carriageways and 60mph on other roads unless otherwise stated. Light commercials grossing at above 2,000kg (Ford's Transit Connect, for example) may also travel at motorway speeds of 70mph, but are restricted to 60mph on dual carriageways and 50mph on other roads, again unless otherwise stated.

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Re: Doblo Speeding Warning - IMPORTANT

The lower speed limits only apply to commercial vehicles, not to Doblo's sold as cars. If your Doblo is a van version and was priced 'plus VAT' so you can claim back the VAT, the limits apply. If it was bought as a car with inclusive and unreclaimable VAT (as all passenger version of the Doblo are) the lower limits do not apply, just as they do not apply to Range Rovers or Maybachs!
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Re: Doblo Speeding Warning - IMPORTANT

I have just been reading through this and looking at my V5 it says :

Max.permissible mass (exc. m/c) - 3315
Mass in service - 1505

I assume these figures are Kg and apply to a Doblo 1.9 M -JET Family. The weight will obviously vary according to the number of passengers. So what do these figures mean ?
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Re: Doblo Speeding Warning - IMPORTANT

Quote Originally Posted by DOBEE View Post
I have just been reading through this and looking at my V5 it says :

Max.permissible mass (exc. m/c) - 3315
Mass in service - 1505

I assume these figures are Kg and apply to a Doblo 1.9 M -JET Family. The weight will obviously vary according to the number of passengers. So what do these figures mean ?
I think the first figure is the total weight with a trailer in KG (3.315 tonnes)
I know that the Family model is just over 2 tonnes but this isn't a problem as the speed limits only apply to vans.
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Re: Doblo Speeding Warning - IMPORTANT

A bit complicated but:-
  • Doblo MPV is fine = regular speed limits apply.
  • Van with GVW over 2000kg = reduced speed limits
  • Van with UNLADEN weight below 2040kg AND at least 2 proper legal fwd facing rear seats AND at least 1 small window in each side AND 1 very small window in rear is a Dual Purpose Vehicle = regular speed limits apply.
(There are some dimensions that apply to the above but gets a bit complicated).

Also unclear as to where you stand legally if driving a converted van. You are supposed to inform DVLA of any changes but I've been told it isn't actually illiegal provided the taxation revenue class hasn't changed. So I guess would have to argue a speeding ticket in court.....
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WARNING TO ALL DOBLO PASSENGER VERSION VEHICLES

THIS SPEED LIMIT DOES AFFECT YOU ON A DUAL CARRIDGEWAY, THE 1.9JTD DOBLO WEIGHS IN AT 2.2ton GVW!!!
Sorry to bother you mate ,but I have just got a2008 Doblo freedom1.9TD what is my speed limit? thanks Coyney
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Just read all this and it would appear to me, being a serving Traffic Police Officer, that there are some very confused people out there.

This is the law, regardless of what your 'mate' at the garage says, or any other codswallop that socalled advanced drivers say.

This is the definition of a car

A motorcar is an MPV, (mechanically Propelled Vehicle) other than a motorcycle or invalid carriage, which is constructed to carry a load or passengers and which is below a certain unladen weight. These weights are
¨ if the vehicle is constructed solely for the carriage of passengers and their effects, is adapted to carry not more than seven passengers exclusive of the driver and is fitted with inflatable tyres, the maximum weight is 3050 kg
¨ if the vehicle is constructed or adapted for use for the conveyance of goods or burden of any description, the maximum weight is 3050 kg (increased to 3500 kg for gas propelled vehicles)
in any other case the maximum weight is 2540 kg

‘Unladen weight’ refers to the weight of a vehicle without load of any kind, and does not include the weight of water or fuel, and any other equipment used for the purpose of propulsion (eg batteries).
Maximum gross weight’ is the maximum total weight which a vehicle may lawfully impose on a road. It is the sum of the vehicle’s unladen weight and the maximum weight of the load which the vehicle may lawfully carry or pull.

Hope this helps, oh and i dont like bloody dognuts. Greasy awful sh*t

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Re: Doblo Speeding Warning - IMPORTANT

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Just read all this and it would appear to me, being a serving Traffic Police Officer, that there are some very confused people out there.

This is the law, regardless of what your 'mate' at the garage says, or any other codswallop that socalled advanced drivers say.

This is the definition of a car

A motorcar is an MPV, (mechanically Propelled Vehicle) other than a motorcycle or invalid carriage, which is constructed to carry a load or passengers and which is below a certain unladen weight. These weights are
¨ if the vehicle is constructed solely for the carriage of passengers and their effects, is adapted to carry not more than seven passengers exclusive of the driver and is fitted with inflatable tyres, the maximum weight is 3050 kg
¨ if the vehicle is constructed or adapted for use for the conveyance of goods or burden of any description, the maximum weight is 3050 kg (increased to 3500 kg for gas propelled vehicles)
in any other case the maximum weight is 2540 kg

‘Unladen weight’ refers to the weight of a vehicle without load of any kind, and does not include the weight of water or fuel, and any other equipment used for the purpose of propulsion (eg batteries).
Maximum gross weight’ is the maximum total weight which a vehicle may lawfully impose on a road. It is the sum of the vehicle’s unladen weight and the maximum weight of the load which the vehicle may lawfully carry or pull.

Hope this helps, oh and i dont like bloody dognuts. Greasy awful sh*t

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Thread was started in Feb 2007 and the last Post is from Sept 2008 David, but your input is interesting.

Not very nice to wade in like this on here though is it...
" regardless of what your 'mate' at the garage says, or any other codswallop that socalled advanced drivers say " Suggests your Roadside manner might be interesting in a traffic stop, which area do you patrol and whats your PC number

Some laws may be an ass, as might some law enforcers and members of the Public. But they are the Law. There is no room for Opinion and / or Common sense these days but thats what we have to work with.

What would your views be on "stretch" tyre fitting in terms of suitability for the highway and safety? How do they fit with Construction and Use policy?

I may have some humble pie waiting for me...

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Certainly wasnt meant to offend. However the amount of times i hear, "ive just had it tested, and they say its legal" . if i only had a quid for evertime.

Im not familiar with the term Stretch. if you explain ill cetainly explain con and use with regard to safety.

With regard to the law is an ass, that maybe so, however Traffic law is very black and white, right and wrong, and some being what`s called Absolute offence, where by there are no defenses provided in law.
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Certainly wasnt meant to offend. However the amount of times i hear, "ive just had it tested, and they say its legal" . if i only had a quid for evertime.

Im not familiar with the term Stretch. if you explain ill cetainly explain con and use with regard to safety.

With regard to the law is an ass, that maybe so, however Traffic law is very black and white, right and wrong, and some being what`s called Absolute offence, where by there are no defenses provided in law.
All cool by me TBH. No ambiguity FTW!

Anyhow... Stretch.

Is when an individual decides he wants to adopt the "Euro look" on his wheels.

Amounts to fitting a tyre on to a wheel that does not have the correct tyre width for the rim.

For example, a 17" tyre on a 17" rim, but with say 65 - 75% of the required tread width, so that the rims of the tyres are set wider the the tread pattern contacting the road.

Lots of modders do this, I have argued that it is both dangerous and illegal from conversations with people in the force.

What are the official views? If a car is MoT'd with normal standard proper rims and tyres, then after the MoT these "stretched" things are fitted, does the MoT still stand? If not, does the Insurance become invalidated?

Sorry for all the questions but its good to get the view of someone who should know.
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Thanks HellCat

ok, with regards to Con and Use act 1986 namely use of tyres fitted to a mechanically propelled vehicle; sec41A RTA1988 states,
Under Section 41A (breach of requirement as to tyres), any person who:
¨fails to comply with, or
¨contravenes construction and use requirements tyres, or who
¨uses, or causes or permits to be used on a road,
a motor vehicle or trailer which does not comply with the requirements, commits an offence.
All tyres fitted to vehicles used on a road must be so maintained that they are free from defect and fit for the use to which they are being put.
The offence is to use, cause or permit to be used, a motor vehicle (or trailer) on a road fitted with a pneumatic tyre which:
¨was unsuitable regarding the use of vehicle/trailer, or the types of tyres on the other wheels, or was not so inflated as to make it fit for use, or
¨had a cut in excess of 25 mm (or 10% of the section width of the tyre, whichever is the greater) and deep enough to reach the ply or cord, or
¨had a lump/bulge/tear caused by the separation or partial structural failure, or
¨had a portion of the ply or the cord exposed, or
¨had the base groove (which showed the original tread pattern) no longer clearly visible, or
¨had a tread pattern which did not have a depth of at least 1 mm through the continuous band measuring at least three-quarters of the breadth of the tread round the entire outer circumference. This will mainly apply to vehicles other than the more ‘common’ vehicles you are likely to deal with (see note below).
The offence is using (causing or permitting use of) a vehicle fitted with a tyre not maintained in the condition as to be fit for use or free from defect which might in any way cause damage to the surface of the road or danger to persons on or in the vehicle or to other persons using the road.

Any issues with understaning please feel free to ask

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