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Old 07-11-2006   #1
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Clutch Judder

Hi all,

I bought my 3 yr old Doblo JTD with 43,000 on the clock about 6 weeks ago from D&J Autos a fiat dealership in Leighton Buzzard, Beds. I love it However, about three weeks ago I noticed a judder on the clutch - once the engine is hot - on 1st gear as you pull away. I ignored it for a couple of weeks but and the other day in heavy traffic, it was pretty bad so I thought I'd take it in. The vehicle came with a 6 month warranty, so I had no worries.... Or so I thought.

D&J confirmed the judder (nice of them) but said that since the car hadn't actually broken down, the warranty didn't cover it. This is despite their vehicle protection booklet saying that the clutch is covered... but to be fair the schedule does say "breakdown cover".

So I asked how much it would be to replace the clutch. They quoted me 670 This sounds a bit steep to me - what do people think? Anyhow, I hopped up and down a bit and they offered to meet me half way - so 335. This is still 335 on a car I have only had for a few weeks.

Then I was reading around these forums and spotted that this is not an uncommon problem- Niall_G posted something back in February saying that the sleeve around his thrust bearing had corroded and caused pretty much the same problem. When I spoke to D&J they agreed that this was a known problem - but stood by their quote of 670 to fix it.

Anyway, before I decide whether I want to shell out 335 on my juddery Doblo, I thought I'd ask you all about how reasonable this quote is - 670 I mean, for a clutch. I'm inclined to keep my juddery Doblo and my 335 and hope that the clutch goes altogether within the 6 month warranty period - because then of course D&J will replace it for diddly squat. What say you?
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Old 07-11-2006   #2
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Re: Clutch Judder

I say rag the thing around till you tear apart the clutch ... NO, wait! I was only joking

I must admit starting off on hills in first you can sometimes get a slight, well judder from the clutch on mine mostly noticed when slipping the clutch on a hill but we all know we shouldn't do that. I would say if you can live with it then don't bother and if it goes completely your lucks in - just don't go slipping that clutch! However saying that, sods law that it goes completely after the 6 months is up and you may end up paying more than your 300 odd then if it affects other bits too.

Maybe someone can come along with more sensible answers
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Kin Ell!

Surely a vehicle sold as a retail sale must be expected to be free of defects for at least 6 weeks.

How many miles have you put on it during that time?

'Fit for purpose' and 'Merchantable quality' are phrases that spring to mind. Along with parking the Doblo outside the dealers on a Saturday morning with a notice detailing how well this dealer stands by the cars they sell.

Get yourself down the CAB (Citizens Advice Bureau) and ask one of their solicitors to write the dealer a letter. By offering to split the cost with you (their 'half' costing them nowhere near as much as your 'half' by the way) they have shown that they know they are on dodgy ground.

Don't give in.
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ok this is weird...I have an 06 new shape 1.9 multijet diesel doblo which I use as a taxi
it has 11300 on the clock and when its hot it judders and sometimes badly
we have 8 doblos on our firm and 5 of them suffer this juddering

one of the doblos has had 2 new clutch and freewheel changed and it still judders

IT is very frustrating and My local Fiat dealer cannot give a reason
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Re: Clutch Judder

I'm no expert but:

I suspect the problem is down to either engine/transmission mounts being too springy (is that a word?) or the clutch not operating in a smooth linear fashion due to the sleeve corroding (almost certainly spelt wrong) and letting the clutch move in small 'jumps' along its travel - giving a little bit too much bite than intended by the driver hence the snatch/judder.

Of course I'm probably wrong. T... will almost certainly have a much better idea of what needs doing as he's the guru on this forum.
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Hi our punto does the same.Fiat said they cauldn't find a fault!
learned to live with it for 22k. not got any worse so far.
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Re: Clutch Judder

My '03 Doblo has the same intermittent clutch problem.
Annoying, but seemingly common and without a cheap (if at all) solution.

When I drive cars with soft, progressive clutches I remember what a clutch can be like. As I said though, I live with it and it isn't omnipresent.

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My doblo has had this judder since i have had it. When I bought the doblo it had done 50k it has now done nearly 150k on the same clutch with the same judder. I have found it judders worse some days than others and sometimes it stops doing it all together for a few weeks at a time. Its up to you but if I were you I would leave it and see if it breaks as when I bought the doblo it had just had its clutch changed by the garage. So I don't think changing clutch would make any difference.
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Hi spider, I've had the same problem it occurred on my vehicle around 15k and only when the car had covered at least 50 miles. I put it down to the very hot summer but I asked my dealer to investigate when it was due for a service.

They must have done something to it because it did not happen again and no new parts had been fitted to my knowledge, I remember something being said about peddle free play at the time, sorry I can't be more pacific.
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Re: Clutch Judder

We've got a 52 plate 1.9jtd elx.
It judders whether its hot or cold. but.. does'nt do it constantly.

(63 thousandish miles)

Should probably get it looked at.
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Re: Clutch Judder

I'm sure my Doblo developed a judder after I towed something far too heavy for it... So I had this theory that the clutch had worn crooked and was causing the judder ( sounds like I'm on the quare stuff, but bear with me ) so I did a few hill starts when she was warm and wore the judder away and now I've no judder. The clutch feels fine and smooth just like when I bought her. Worked for me - don't try this at home...
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Re: Clutch Judder

speaking of this clutch juddering.
i just experienced it yesterday ( had 30 cartons of drinks in the rear)
average 5kg times 30 = 150kg
i was wondering if the weight can be the cause.
as 3 adults weight ard 150 to 200kg .

1st gear was pretty fine,, it only came on in the 2nd gear.
and not at once, after the 2nd gear is in, step on it, half way, thru the 2nd.
the judder can be felt..
off loaded half of the goods late last night.
and so far it's no judder..
puzzled

by the way , my doblo had done 63000 km which is abt 30k miles.
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Re: Clutch Judder

I've found it to happen both unloaded and loaded. Did you have your foot anywhere near the pedal at the time?

One thought that crossed my mind for those of you with older clutches, due to clutch and spring plate wear, it could cause the clutch to engage even sooner and so even putting your foot just a touch on the pedal could cause it to slip.
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Re: Clutch Judder

My 06 GP (four months old, 2000km) has the same problem. What I don't understand is how this can happen on such a new car. So in a nutshell, is there a solution to this or not?
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Not so much a solution but more of a suggestion...

Keep your foot well away from the clutch pedal as it's very sensitive! You only have to rest your foot NEAR it and if you accelerate hard it will slip.
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