Technical Clutch Judder

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Technical Clutch Judder

I just don't think anyone has ever got a definitive answer to this problem. It affects my car too from time to time, though only when setting off in first.

I've read a lot of correspondence on the subject but sadly i am still none the wiser. Probably the flywheel, or stiction in the thrust mechanism, or...or...
 
If we are talking of a judder that sometimes we get when pulling away in first, then the answer the mechanics have given me is that the new clutches aren’t made of asbestos anymore and the new material they use today, tends to accumulate a small amount of powder on the discs that makes them un even. We dobbiers tend to cruise because of fuel economy and the same goes for pulling away in first but some times we have to turn the sport option on in order to remove that powder (that’s what they told me). I used to have a uno couple years ago that developed the same problem after the new clutch had been installed, it used to be more evident on rainy humid days and almost absent in the summer. It would be nice to know if cars from other makers have had this problem thus it’s become a common problem - non problem or is it just fiats clutches?
Doing a simple google search this came out:
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i have a doblo 52 plate which had a new clutch in december 2010, no flywheel though, i have just had this remapped to 136BHP and my judder only does this when.....

1st & 2nd PERFECT. loads of power no slipping /juddering.

but if i am in 3rd ACCERATING past 30 (FIRM - NOT HARD) it JUDDERS @175rpm through to 200rpm then stops

then 4th past 40mph same again

then 5th past 50mph same again.

this only happen on good accereration but can be noticed when climbing hills etc from time to time..

it is definatly 100% no conected to weight issues. i have alot of equipment in my doblo (well did) nearly 400kg of extra weight in back seats, frames, speakers, amps batterys, wire, MDF etc and i thought this was the issue, took everything out (and i mean everything - even trims carpets EVERYTHING) still no avail, still exactly the same judder, same sequence timing etc. ALL WEIGHT BACK IN - EXACTLY SAME :yuck::confused::mad::cry:

i wonder if this could be the flywheel ???

cost over £700 in december for clutch etc and really reluctant to get a new flywheel.

since i have asked the tuning guy to take the map of it does not do it. AT ALL!

we tried everything with the mapping tuning everything down and spot tuning diffferent aspects of the tune. NO AVAIL. :bang:

i only had two problems witht he map and that was the juddering and excessive smoke cruising in 4th! it was rediculous! REALLY PUMPIN OUT LIKE TRUCK GOING UP VERY STEEP HILL!(n)

its just so frustrating. the extra BHP he got from it was truely amazing. but no worth the hassel i dont think.

does anyone else think that this maybe the flywheel of something else?

doblos obvioulsy judder as alot of people post it.

any help would be appriciated.

Scott
 
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