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Old 27-11-2015   #1
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sump plug stuck fiat wont over 600 + vat

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right my car went in for service today at fiat and they told me they couldnt get the sump plug off and they say they could try a more brute force method but if it breaks im looking at a 600+ repair bill

new sump + gasket + oil +labour

my question is

can the oil not be vacuumed out?

or if i need a new sump how is there a after market 1

fiat wouldnt give me the part number for the sump and just said its about 300

how can i obtain the part number for my sump?

and is there any other things i can try to get it off?
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With an oil extractor you can suck the oil out. A extractor can be had for around 40.00 or less. They work on vacuum using a hand operated primer. The oil needs to be warm and the extraction pipe fits down the dipstick tube. I've used mine for years with no issues. The amount of oil I get oil easily matches the amount if the sump drain plug is used.
I would save your money, especially paying a dealer that can't fix on an exact price for a job.
I'm sure other people will suggest other possibilities regarding getting the sump drain plug undone. Good luck
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Part number for your sump is 46770103, found one on Italian ebay
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/46770103-c...-/301729869947
Might be able to get them from Shop4Parts too.
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Cheers for the quick replys

think as i need to have a oil change i will vacuum it out (short term)

cheers for finding the sump is that the right code for my car

how do you obtain the codes
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ePer can be used to find part numbers, though the version on here is hugely out of date.
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Re: sump plug stuck fiat wont over 600 + vat

Let's take a step back.

When was the oil last changed and by whom? They arguably overtightened the plug, so would be responsible for today's issue. If you can show only serviced by one place, let them fix the problem. Great if it is this dealer.
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Re: sump plug stuck fiat wont over 600 + vat

my old diesel Marea - (possibly same sump) with a FFSH
was so butchered I had to use an angle grinder ( carefully) to remove the old plug and replace with new,

As PB says IF you know who did the last service..go back and ask.

A friend had similar with a VW.. turns out the previous monkey had stripped the threads and bonded it back in

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Im not familiar with that particular engine, but there are standard methods any engineer would use to remove a bolt that had seized and broken off. Not really a DIY job unless you have a vehicle lift, but any competent motor mechanic should be able to do the following for you.

1 Squirt a releasing agent such as Plus-Gas around the sump plug, leave it to soak in for at last 24 hours, and try the sump wrench.

2 Heat gently, and then try the sump wrench again. (Would the engine have been cold when the garage was unable to remove the sump plug? A ten mile run might be just enough the warm the sump and allow the plugto be removed).

3 Heat (very carefully) with a blowlamp or welding torch, and try again.

4 Weld a bolt onto the sump plug, so that a socket set with a long handle can be used. (Heat from the welding will help).

5 If all else fails, drill a small hole through the plug, as near as possible to the centre line. Enlarge the hole as much as possible, taking care not to cut away the threaded portion of the sump, and then remove the remnants using a small chisel and a pair of long-nose pliers. Just remember there is a risk of getting swarf in the sump when drilling get one of those super-strong magnets (very cheap from on-line suppliers such as Magnet Expert Ltd), and glue it into a length of flexible tube so that it pushed in via the sump plug hole and manoeuvred around.
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The sump plug is tapered. Instead of a copper washer to seal it, it uses a tapered thread that tightens into the sump and makes the seal. This is not a new idea, been around since sumps. Also been overtightened for ever, seems it is impossible to educate some mechanics.

Because of this, release agents have no effect, as it is not corrosion that has stuck it in there. Drilling out is an option, but the welded handle of some sort is the better option. New plugs are cheap.

It would be good to hear back from the OP about its history, and any possible claim against the last people who serviced it. Might help their education.
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the problem is fixed now we used a longer bar and give it a few little taps bought a new sump plug and everything good apart from my next problem

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