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Old 07-03-2012   #1
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doblo cargo clutch master cylinder

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can anyone tell me if a 05 doblo clutch master cylinder will be the same on a 51 plate ?

also im havin a problem with my van that i just cant seem to get to the bottom off , its hard to start when cold , but once started it runs great untill it heats up then kind of chugs slightly and seems intermittant
initially on start up from cold there is a wee bit of smoke that goes away immediatley , then when its heated up the smoke gets quite bad when chugging then clears again

there is no oil in the water and the oil seems clean (no mayonaise) and it doesnt loose any water either

the van has just turned 80,000 and is in good nick and drives well , but really need to get this sorted any help would be grately appreciated
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Re: doblo cargo clutch master cylinder

Hard to start when cold & intermittent initially on start up - in what way is the turnover rapid or slow, does it take ages to fire? Might be worth checking the glow plugs if it doesnt fire immediately, assuming its a diesel? With a multimeter set to check resistance check for about 0.5 to 1 ohm between glow plug terminal and engine block. If any have high or infinite resistance then replace. Glow plugs do affect the cold running so even if just one is gone it will be a bit lumpy.

Sorry no idea about clutch.
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Re: doblo cargo clutch master cylinder

hi , just done the glow plugs last weekend ............ just done the clutch master cylinder aswell today , now ive got no pressure in the pedal and its just going to the floor and not returning back up , please please can anyone suggest any advice ????????
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hi , just done the glow plugs last weekend ............ just done the clutch master cylinder aswell today , now ive got no pressure in the pedal and its just going to the floor and not returning back up , please please can anyone suggest any advice ????????
Did you bleed the clutch after fitting new master cylinder
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Re: doblo cargo clutch master cylinder

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hi , just done the glow plugs last weekend ............ just done the clutch master cylinder aswell today , now ive got no pressure in the pedal and its just going to the floor and not returning back up , please please can anyone suggest any advice ????????
Did you find out what the chugging was & did you get to the end of your clutch problem? Please post as I'm having the exact same issues with my 02 Doblo Cargo 1.9 diesel & it's driving me nuts.
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Re: doblo cargo clutch master cylinder

Shorty....you need to give vehicle details for us to help you

Steo...if its the non-turbo 1.9 version get the codes read, you dont want to see rotor sensor errors
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Shorty....you need to give vehicle details for us to help you

Steo...if its the non-turbo 1.9 version get the codes read, you dont want to see rotor sensor errors
After hours of trying every way I could think of to bleed the clutch as I don't have the tool for pressurising the sysyem, I eventually got it bled by keeping the bleed nipple open on the slave cylinder & physically blowing into the reservoir with my mouth (not recommended as brake fluid tastes vile) until all the air bubbles were expelled through the bleed nipple. I tightened everything up & once I could feel the pedal, it was then easier to get rid of any air the conventional way which was still in the system.

The chuggy van problem I have, started when I ran out of diesel (2002 Doblo Cargo 1.9 non turbo). When I put fuel in, the engine sounded rattley like injector type noises & felt really sluggish as if it was going on three cylinders. I opened the injectors slightly, at least the ones you have access to without removing the rocker cover to see if there was an air lock. I could only loosen two of them but it was a bit of an improvement.

However the engine is still noisey & surges on tickover like a petrol engine with a vacumn leak. It's also fairly smokey if you floor it through the gears though it does seem to run smoother after a long journey but then starts surging & getting noisey once you drive in traffic again. Also there are no engine management lights staying on except the heater plug light when it's cold so I'd one or two of them need replacing. Does any of this make sense, any suggestions would be great?

As I don't have a manual, could you explain what you mean in layman's terms by a rotor sensor, what does it do & what are the symptoms of a faulty one?
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Question Re: doblo cargo clutch replacement

Any tips out there on how easy or diffcult it is to replace the complete clutch, on a doblo cargo van 1.9jtd. does the engine have to come out or just the gearbox? not sure have not got a manual.
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Any tips out there on how easy or diffcult it is to replace the complete clutch, on a doblo cargo van 1.9jtd. does the engine have to come out or just the gearbox? not sure have not got a manual.
At the mo I'm doing the clutch on a 2.0 turbo Citroen despatch, same engine. As it's been pissing rain & I've no garage, this job is taking forever. No major issues so far except for the lack of space under the bonnet to work.

You'll need a size 36mm socket to unbolt the CV nut on the driveshafts but so far that's the only tool I've had to buy which wasn't in my box. The engine doesn't need to come out but you will have to let it drop down on the passenger side in order for the gearbox to clear the bodywork when you're wiggling it out.

You can get cheap manuals on CD from Ebay but try get a fairly comprehensive one with good pix as the one I bought was shyte & my computer couldn't read it properly. Maybe go for a Haynes manual from Halfords, it's a bit more expensive but at least you can open it up beside you, get to the relevant sections quickly, follow the instructional photos & as they say, a picture tells a thousand words.

The replacement clutches for the turbo versions are expensive as you also have to fit a new flywheel but you could use the cheaper clutch off the straight diesel for half the price.

Hope this helps, write a post to let us know how you get on, regds Stephen.
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Hi there steve,

Got your email cheers for that, managed to get the gearbox removed pretty straight forward with a little help from my son , struggling on removing dual mass fly wheel, any tips on that.
If i can help you give me a shout.
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Re: doblo cargo clutch master cylinder

Hi Carl, I didn't get as far as the dmf yet, hopefully I'll do it on Thursday so I can't help you there.
I had a look on Youtube but any dmf vids are on American cars & hardly anything on European stuff. They also only show you what a bad dmf looks & sounds like but don't show how they removed it from the transmission. Maybe one of the Fiat forum mods can help you out?
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My 2007 Cargo 1.9 sx with 60k clutch became notchy just lately with gear engagement being difficult. On turning a sharp right bend on a hill I noticed the brake dash light flash on so I checked the fluid to find it low. On inspection I noticed the clutch slave cylinder had been sick over the bell housing. A replacement cylinder from Eurocarparts was 42 I had to remove the battery and it case (3 bolts) to access the the slave cylinder which is secured by 2 set bolts. The old unit was made of composite the new cast steel, the hose connection is a push fit held by a C clip (easy) I did clamp the hose to retain fluid . I wrapped the bleed nipple around with a rag then released the clamp after opening the bleed nipple the fluid flowed out blowing the air bubbles with it, sorted easy job.
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