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Morrison bio diesel B30

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Does anyone know whether you can use morrisons bio diesel B30 in a 1.3 multijet doblo engine on a 05 plate, the diesel is a 30% mix with rapeseed oil, same price as normal diesel.
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Re: Morrison bio diesel B30

No, Its in the handbook, EN590, `normal` diesel. (that`s from memory, best you check

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Re: Morrison bio diesel B30

30% rapeseed oil @ 40p/litre
70% diesel @ £1.10/litre
And they're still charging full price?
Cheeky barstewards.
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Re: Morrison bio diesel B30

Quote from Bio Diesel filling stations

"Biodiesel, in theory, can go into all diesel engines as the diesel engine itself was designed to run on plant oil. However it is the parts attached to the diesel engine which could potentially cause problems – although the vast majority of diesels on the road are fine running on 100% biodiesel. In reality, the rule of thumb is you can use 100% biodiesel in any diesel built between 1990-2004, but be aware that a one-off fuel filter change will be needed after you first make the transition (and any mix of biodiesel and fossil diesel is OK too). I would recommend that cars built after 2004 should run on a 50% blend not 100%. Be aware too that biodiesel made from waste cooking oil will freeze in winter and so from November to April one should blend that kind of Biodiesel at 50% as well. However, Biodiesel made from a Rapeseed crop (RME) will not freeze and can be used at 100% all year round in the UK. Please note that it is advisable to purchase biodiesel with EN14214 specification, that gives you some guarantee of quality. In short – to be safe, use RME Biodiesel at EN14214 in a car built between 1990 and 2004 and then you can be carbon neutral all year without problems!

In terms of official compatibility, despite the majority of diesel vehicles on the road being fine on 100%, only a handful of companies will officially approve their vehicles for 100% use. The companies that have approved 100% biodiesel are VW, Audi, SEAT and Skoda. They have approved all their cars built between 1996 and 2004 on 100% use of ”RME” Biodiesel (Biodiesel made from Rapeseed) providing it meets the specification DIN41606 (which was later replaced by EN14214). These companies can still provide some brand new cars warranted on 100% biodiesel but one has to request it (best to get the official letter from German Base as some UK agents aren’t fully aware). As these companies have officially approved 100% biodiesel I urge you to use your consumer power to support them in supporting the environmental movement.

Technical Details & Standards

There are three existing specification standards for diesel & Biodiesel fuels (EN590, DIN 51606 & EN14214).

EN590 (actually EN590:2000) describes the physical properties that all diesel fuel must meet if it is to be sold in the EU, Czech Republic, Iceland, Norway or Switzerland. It allows the blending of up to 5% Biodiesel with 'normal' DERV - a 95/5 mix. In some countries such as France, all diesel sold routinely contains this 95/5 mix.

DIN 51606 is a German standard for Biodiesel, is considered to be the highest standard currently existing, and is regarded by almost all vehicle manufacturers as evidence of compliance with the strictest standards for diesel fuels. The vast majority of Biodiesel produced commercially meets or exceeds this standard.

EN14214 EN14214 is the standard for biodiesel now having recently been finalized by the European Standards organisation CEN. It is broadly based on DIN 51606."

If it's a rapeseed oil mix I reckon it would be ok
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Re: Morrison bio diesel B30

on friday i pumped 45 litres of morrisons diesel into my 56 120 doblo before i noticed that it was the new biodiesel (this particular pump has supplied me with about 95% of my diesel over the last 15 months) all that was on the pump was a small sign informing people about the content of the diesel and that you should find out if it was suitable for your vehicle, bit late after 45 litres, i rang my main dealer who told me they had no information from fiat on suitability of biodiesel for their engines, but he gave me the phone number of fiat customer care who i phoned,
the response from them was that biodiesel is not recommended for their engines as they don't know the damaged it might cause, at the moment my doblo appears to be running well on it, but i will start to dilute it at half a tank, just to be safe, can't really see the benefits of it as its the same price as normal diesel.

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i think its in italy.
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Re: Morrison bio diesel B30

I have an 05 plate Doblo 1.9 JTD.
FIATs latest information, as well just about every other main stream manufacturer is not to use it, it's not approved and I aint touching it. If I had to use it, in desperation, I'd dilute it down with ordinary diesel to the nth degree at the first opportunity.
I've read somewhere, though heaven knows where, that any manufacture that DOES allow its use, in a specifical set-up engine (SAAB having a particular model available in Scandinavian countries rings a bell) say that you should use it from the start of the engines life & not after thousands of miles of 'normal' fuel.
As mentioned above - its being charged at 'normal' diesel's price but more importantly, if like me you have a tree hugging zealot amongst your friends, tell them, "it's made from rape-seed, so the rape-seed fields aren't actually growing any food on those farms now? What part of the developing world do think was chopped down to to replace this food production, how many people were cleared off the land & how much fuel oil was used by the ship that had to cart the veg half way round the world to replace the lost production?"

Being green doesn't have to be forced on the average driver by making us feel guilty - drive sensibly and you'll be using less of ANY kind of fuel.

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...specifical... apologies for the 'new' word there.
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i have a 1.9 130 stilo an i have done nearly 10 000 in nothing but 100% home made biodiesel made from waste cooking oil with no probs engine has never ran so well nlso have a 2001 passat tdi and a peugeot 307 hdi all on 100%
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Re: Morrison bio diesel B30

When I contacted Fiat last year regarding bio diesel, they said they would be happy (warranty wise) for me to use the standard 5% bio diesel - 5% cooking to 95% diesel.
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When I contacted Fiat last year regarding bio diesel, they said they would be happy (warranty wise) for me to use the standard 5% bio diesel - 5% cooking to 95% diesel.
you're probably using it anyway, I think most of the major oil co's have been adding 5% bio for a couple of years now.
It's a European directive afaik.
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you're probably using it anyway, I think most of the major oil co's have been adding 5% bio for a couple of years now.
It's a European directive afaik.

In much the same way as 'they've' been adding happy powder to the water supply
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Re: Morrison bio diesel B30

to be onhest i wouldnt buy any fuel from morrisons, i work there and my manager was telling me the other day how e doesnt buy our petrol because how morrisons buy the cheapest s*** they can. and they also buy diesel and have it watered down with bio diesel and not all new cars are tuned to run on bio diesel.apolagies if this doesnt help the original post just wanted to let you know!
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30% rapeseed oil @ 40p/litre
70% diesel @ £1.10/litre
And they're still charging full price?
Cheeky barstewards.
This person doesn't fully understand and this post should be taken off as it is misleading. Yes - you could use raw rape/ vegetable oil - but it's better to chemically procxess the oil [esterification] - this process costs some money. Also you still have to pay fuel taxes on biofuels - so it works out nearly the same price for pure biodiesel from veg oil - my local producer uses waste oil [recycled from restaurants etc - free of charge] to make his and charges about 10% less than regular diesel.

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In much the same way as 'they've' been adding happy powder to the water supply
no, seriously.
Check out the renewable transport fuel obligation

The rest of Europe are way ahead of the UK and, I think, all Diesel is 5% bio over there.
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