General Help needed with Fiat Croma engine

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General Help needed with Fiat Croma engine

heleto

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Hello there, I am a new owner of 1983 Pinzgauer (an Austrian military truck) from US. Previous owner imported it from Montenegro with a Fiat Croma turbo diesel engine.
Pics:
Pinz1.jpg
Pinz2.jpg
Pinz3.jpg

I just got the truck delivered today and found out that the starter motor is missing a bolt (screw). This made the gear not to align properly and had issues starting the truck.

We do not have these engines here and really would like your inputs to identify/resolve issues.

Questions:
1. Could you please help identify the engine model/year. I will also try to get some details by looking at any serial numbers available.
2. I tried searching hard and fast for the starter motor bolt, but did not find any.
3. If someone here has a workshop manual or where I could find one, I appreciate it.

Tl;dr: Need help in identifying Fiat Croma engine. Missing Starter bolt.

Appreciate your help.
 
Hi and welcome :)

I guess the truck is 1980's SteyrPuch

That motor will be late 80's too..

MASSIVE market for FIAT bordering the Adriatic.. so an obvious choice of motor back then

Pre internet dates.. the info is harder to find.. but its all out there somewhere

Lancia may well be a good source of info too ;)

Charlie
 
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Hi and welcome :)

I guess the truck is 1980's SteyrPuch

That motor will be late 80's too..

MASSIVE market for FIAT bordering the Adriatic.. so an obvious choice of motor back then

Pre internet dates.. the info is harder to find.. but its all out there somewhere

Lancia may well be a good source of info too ;)

Charlie
Thank you for the reply, Charlie.
Would Lancia Thema be the comparable model to look for?
Looking at the future in repairs, could you comment on the reliability of these engines?
 
Looking on ePER at Croma 2500 Turbo Diesel 1990 - 1996

Bolt is P/N: 16044524 - length is 65mm - 3 off required/use
Plain washer P/N: 10519621 - 3 off
Lock washer P/N: 10516674 - 3 off

All parts available and commonly used on many Fiat models:

FIAT - PK BARCHETTA (1995-2004)
FIAT - 1V BRAVA BZ/DS (1995-1998)
FIAT - 1M BRAVA G.98 BZ/DS (1998-2001)
FIAT - 1U BRAVO BZ/DS (1995-1998)
FIAT - 1L BRAVO G.98 BZ/DS (1998-2001)
FIAT - NM CINQUECENTO (1992-1998)
FIAT - PC COUPE' (1994-1996)
FIAT - PX COUPE' GAMMA'96 (1996-2000)
FIAT - NQ CROMA IE. 2500 V6 (1993-1996)
FIAT - MJ CROMA TURBO DS FL.90 (1990-1996)
FIAT - XP ELBA CSL (1991-1996)
FIAT - 4C GRANDE PUNTO (2008-2009)
FIAT - 2S IDEA (2003-2008)
FIAT - 4D IDEA (2008-2012)
FIAT - 3M LINEA (2007-....)
FIAT - PT MAREA BENZINA (1996-1999)
FIAT - 1Q MAREA BZ GAMMA'99 (1999-2002)
FIAT - PU MAREA DIESEL (1996-1999)
FIAT - 1R MAREA DS GAMMA'99 (1999-2002)
FIAT - XR MILLE (1994-1995)
FIAT - 1F MULTIPLA (1998-2010)
FIAT - 3L NUOVA BRAVO (2007-2009)
FIAT - 3Y NUOVA BRAVO MY 2010 (2010-2014)
FIAT - 2H PALIO 2V EXTRA EUROPA REST. 2002 (2002-2011)
FIAT - 2G PALIO WE EUROPA REST. (2002-2004)
FIAT - 2K PALIO WE EXTRA EUROPA REST. 2002 (2002-2008)
FIAT - PY PALIO/WEEKEND EUROPA (1997-2002)
FIAT - 1S PANDA 4X2 MAQ 91 (1991-2003)
FIAT - 1T PANDA 4X4 MAQ 91 (1991-2003)
FIAT - 2P PANDA DS (1986-1993)
FIAT - NV PUNTO 55-60-75-90 (1993-1997)
FIAT - 1N PUNTO BZ (1999-2003)
FIAT - 1A PUNTO BZ. GAMMA '97 (1997-1999)
FIAT - PF PUNTO CABRIO (1994-1997)
FIAT - 1P PUNTO DS (1999-2003)
FIAT - 3J PUNTO EVO (2009-2011)
FIAT - 2U PUNTO FL.'03 (2003-2010)
FIAT - NW PUNTO GT (1993-1997)
FIAT - 2L SIENA EXTRA EUROPA REST.(2002-2012)
FIAT - 2C STILO BZ/DS (2001-2003)
FIAT - 2V STILO F.L.L. 2003 (2003-2007)
FIAT - MW TEMPRA 1750-2000 (1989-1993)
FIAT - NG TIPO 1750-2000 (1990-1993)
FIAT - MP TIPO SPORT 16V IE. (1988-1993)
FIAT - MU UNO DIESEL R/89 (1989-1995)
ALFA ROMEO - R3 "R.Z." (1992-1993)
ALFA ROMEO - M9 "S.Z." (1989-1991)
ALFA ROMEO - T5 145 GAMMA 97 (1997-1999)
ALFA ROMEO - W3 145 M.Y. '99 (1999-2000)
ALFA ROMEO - T6 146 GAMMA 97 (1997-1999)
ALFA ROMEO - W4 146 M.Y. '99 (1999-2000)
ALFA ROMEO - W8 147 BZ/DS (2000-2010)
ALFA ROMEO - U5 155 ASPIRATO (1992-1996)
ALFA ROMEO - T3 155 GAMMA 96 BZ (1996-1997)
ALFA ROMEO - T4 155 GAMMA 96 DS (1996-1997)
ALFA ROMEO - U6 155 TURBO BZ-DS (1992-1996)
ALFA ROMEO - T7 156 BENZINA (1997-2002)
ALFA ROMEO - X1 156 M.Y.2002 BZ/DS (2001-2005)
ALFA ROMEO - T8 156 TD.ID. (1997-2002)
ALFA ROMEO - X8 159 MY11 (2010-2011)
ALFA ROMEO - K0 164 (1987-1992)
ALFA ROMEO - W1 164 FL/92 (1992-1997)
ALFA ROMEO - W2 164 SUPER (1992-1997)
ALFA ROMEO - K2 164 TURBO BZ.(1987-1992)
ALFA ROMEO - N0 164 U.S.A. MY.91/93 (1990-1992)
ALFA ROMEO - R4 164 USA MY.94-95 (1993-1995)
ALFA ROMEO - W9 166 BZ-DS (1998-2007)
ALFA ROMEO - W5 33 CARB./DS (1990-1994)
ALFA ROMEO - W7 33 ED.88(1988-1990)
ALFA ROMEO - U3 75 BZ 4 CILINDRI (1988-1992)
ALFA ROMEO - U4 75 BZ 6 CILINDRI E TD (1988-1992)
ALFA ROMEO - X9 ALFA 159 (2008-2010)
ALFA ROMEO - X6 ALFA MITO (2008-2011)
ALFA ROMEO - 12 BRERA COUPE' M.Y. (2008-2010)
ALFA ROMEO - U8 G T V (1995-1998)
ALFA ROMEO - X7 GIULIETTA (2010-2013)
ALFA ROMEO - 5Y GIULIETTA M.Y. 2013 (2013 - ...)
ALFA ROMEO - X2 GT (2003-2010)
ALFA ROMEO - W0 GTV '98 (1998-2005)
ALFA ROMEO - QZ MITO MY2011 (2011-2013)
ALFA ROMEO - 10 MITO MY2013 (2013-....)
ALFA ROMEO - U7 NUOVO SPIDER (1995-1998)
ALFA ROMEO - 13 NUOVO SPIDER M.Y. (2008-2010)
ALFA ROMEO - U9 SPIDER '98 (1998-2006)
LANCIA - SL DEDRA FL.94 1580-1750 8/16V 2000 (1994-1999)
LANCIA - SM DEDRA FL.94 1750-2.0 (1994-1999)
LANCIA - TB DELTA R.86 BZ/DS (1986-1992)
LANCIA - SS KAPPA 3.0 V6 (1994-2001)
LANCIA - SV KAPPA COUPE' (1997-2001)
LANCIA - TN LANCIA DELTA MY 2011 (2011-2014)
LANCIA - SX LYBRA BZ (1999-2005)
LANCIA - SY LYBRA DS (1999-2005)
LANCIA - TG MUSA (2004-2007)
LANCIA - TJ MUSA (2007-2011)
LANCIA - 43 MUSA FLL (2011-2012)
LANCIA - SF N.DELTA 1400-1600-1800(1993-1999)
LANCIA - SG N.DELTA 2.0 -1750 132CV ('93-'99)
LANCIA - TH NUOVA DELTA 844 (2008-2011)
LANCIA - SD THEMA 3.0 V6 FL.92 (1992-1994)
LANCIA - SZ THEMA BZ/DS R.88 (1988-1992)
LANCIA - SC THEMA TURBO DS FL.92 (1992-1994)
LANCIA - SJ THESIS (2001-2007)
LANCIA - ZL Y10 FL.89 (1988-1992)
LANCIA - ZM Y10 R.92 (1992-1995)
FIAT PROFESSIONAL - 1W DOBLO (2000-2004)
FIAT PROFESSIONAL - 2W DOBLO MY. 2004 (2004-2005)
FIAT PROFESSIONAL - 3C DOBLO REST. 2005 (2005-....)
FIAT PROFESSIONAL - 2M FIORINO (1991-1993)
FIAT PROFESSIONAL - 2N FIORINO RL (1993-2000)
FIAT PROFESSIONAL - 3V NUOVO DOBLO 2009 (2009-....)
FIAT PROFESSIONAL - 4X NUOVO DUCATO MY 2011 (2011-2014)
FIAT PROFESSIONAL - 4Y NUOVO DUCATO MY 2014 (2014-....)
FIAT PROFESSIONAL - 1G STRADA (1999-2005)
 
Thank you everyone for the replies. For some reason I was not able to find this thread, and started another one at 'Newbie Central'. I requested the moderators to delete that thread.

I have enough information to move further. Thanks again. I will post the progress as I go along.
 
Looking on ePER at Croma 2500 Turbo Diesel 1990 - 1996

Bolt is P/N: 16044524 - length is 65mm - 3 off required/use
Plain washer P/N: 10519621 - 3 off
Lock washer P/N: 10516674 - 3 off

All parts available and commonly used on many Fiat models:

FIAT - PK BARCHETTA (1995-2004)
FIAT - 1V BRAVA BZ/DS (1995-1998)
FIAT - 1M BRAVA G.98 BZ/DS (1998-2001)
FIAT - 1U BRAVO BZ/DS (1995-1998)
FIAT - 1L BRAVO G.98 BZ/DS (1998-2001)
FIAT - NM CINQUECENTO (1992-1998)
FIAT - PC COUPE' (1994-1996)
FIAT - PX COUPE' GAMMA'96 (1996-2000)
FIAT - NQ CROMA IE. 2500 V6 (1993-1996)
FIAT - MJ CROMA TURBO DS FL.90 (1990-1996)
FIAT - XP ELBA CSL (1991-1996)
FIAT - 4C GRANDE PUNTO (2008-2009)
FIAT - 2S IDEA (2003-2008)
FIAT - 4D IDEA (2008-2012)
FIAT - 3M LINEA (2007-....)
FIAT - PT MAREA BENZINA (1996-1999)
FIAT - 1Q MAREA BZ GAMMA'99 (1999-2002)
FIAT - PU MAREA DIESEL (1996-1999)
FIAT - 1R MAREA DS GAMMA'99 (1999-2002)
FIAT - XR MILLE (1994-1995)
FIAT - 1F MULTIPLA (1998-2010)
FIAT - 3L NUOVA BRAVO (2007-2009)
FIAT - 3Y NUOVA BRAVO MY 2010 (2010-2014)
FIAT - 2H PALIO 2V EXTRA EUROPA REST. 2002 (2002-2011)
FIAT - 2G PALIO WE EUROPA REST. (2002-2004)
FIAT - 2K PALIO WE EXTRA EUROPA REST. 2002 (2002-2008)
FIAT - PY PALIO/WEEKEND EUROPA (1997-2002)
FIAT - 1S PANDA 4X2 MAQ 91 (1991-2003)
FIAT - 1T PANDA 4X4 MAQ 91 (1991-2003)
FIAT - 2P PANDA DS (1986-1993)
FIAT - NV PUNTO 55-60-75-90 (1993-1997)
FIAT - 1N PUNTO BZ (1999-2003)
FIAT - 1A PUNTO BZ. GAMMA '97 (1997-1999)
FIAT - PF PUNTO CABRIO (1994-1997)
FIAT - 1P PUNTO DS (1999-2003)
FIAT - 3J PUNTO EVO (2009-2011)
FIAT - 2U PUNTO FL.'03 (2003-2010)
FIAT - NW PUNTO GT (1993-1997)
FIAT - 2L SIENA EXTRA EUROPA REST.(2002-2012)
FIAT - 2C STILO BZ/DS (2001-2003)
FIAT - 2V STILO F.L.L. 2003 (2003-2007)
FIAT - MW TEMPRA 1750-2000 (1989-1993)
FIAT - NG TIPO 1750-2000 (1990-1993)
FIAT - MP TIPO SPORT 16V IE. (1988-1993)
FIAT - MU UNO DIESEL R/89 (1989-1995)
ALFA ROMEO - R3 "R.Z." (1992-1993)
ALFA ROMEO - M9 "S.Z." (1989-1991)
ALFA ROMEO - T5 145 GAMMA 97 (1997-1999)
ALFA ROMEO - W3 145 M.Y. '99 (1999-2000)
ALFA ROMEO - T6 146 GAMMA 97 (1997-1999)
ALFA ROMEO - W4 146 M.Y. '99 (1999-2000)
ALFA ROMEO - W8 147 BZ/DS (2000-2010)
ALFA ROMEO - U5 155 ASPIRATO (1992-1996)
ALFA ROMEO - T3 155 GAMMA 96 BZ (1996-1997)
ALFA ROMEO - T4 155 GAMMA 96 DS (1996-1997)
ALFA ROMEO - U6 155 TURBO BZ-DS (1992-1996)
ALFA ROMEO - T7 156 BENZINA (1997-2002)
ALFA ROMEO - X1 156 M.Y.2002 BZ/DS (2001-2005)
ALFA ROMEO - T8 156 TD.ID. (1997-2002)
ALFA ROMEO - X8 159 MY11 (2010-2011)
ALFA ROMEO - K0 164 (1987-1992)
ALFA ROMEO - W1 164 FL/92 (1992-1997)
ALFA ROMEO - W2 164 SUPER (1992-1997)
ALFA ROMEO - K2 164 TURBO BZ.(1987-1992)
ALFA ROMEO - N0 164 U.S.A. MY.91/93 (1990-1992)
ALFA ROMEO - R4 164 USA MY.94-95 (1993-1995)
ALFA ROMEO - W9 166 BZ-DS (1998-2007)
ALFA ROMEO - W5 33 CARB./DS (1990-1994)
ALFA ROMEO - W7 33 ED.88(1988-1990)
ALFA ROMEO - U3 75 BZ 4 CILINDRI (1988-1992)
ALFA ROMEO - U4 75 BZ 6 CILINDRI E TD (1988-1992)
ALFA ROMEO - X9 ALFA 159 (2008-2010)
ALFA ROMEO - X6 ALFA MITO (2008-2011)
ALFA ROMEO - 12 BRERA COUPE' M.Y. (2008-2010)
ALFA ROMEO - U8 G T V (1995-1998)
ALFA ROMEO - X7 GIULIETTA (2010-2013)
ALFA ROMEO - 5Y GIULIETTA M.Y. 2013 (2013 - ...)
ALFA ROMEO - X2 GT (2003-2010)
ALFA ROMEO - W0 GTV '98 (1998-2005)
ALFA ROMEO - QZ MITO MY2011 (2011-2013)
ALFA ROMEO - 10 MITO MY2013 (2013-....)
ALFA ROMEO - U7 NUOVO SPIDER (1995-1998)
ALFA ROMEO - 13 NUOVO SPIDER M.Y. (2008-2010)
ALFA ROMEO - U9 SPIDER '98 (1998-2006)
LANCIA - SL DEDRA FL.94 1580-1750 8/16V 2000 (1994-1999)
LANCIA - SM DEDRA FL.94 1750-2.0 (1994-1999)
LANCIA - TB DELTA R.86 BZ/DS (1986-1992)
LANCIA - SS KAPPA 3.0 V6 (1994-2001)
LANCIA - SV KAPPA COUPE' (1997-2001)
LANCIA - TN LANCIA DELTA MY 2011 (2011-2014)
LANCIA - SX LYBRA BZ (1999-2005)
LANCIA - SY LYBRA DS (1999-2005)
LANCIA - TG MUSA (2004-2007)
LANCIA - TJ MUSA (2007-2011)
LANCIA - 43 MUSA FLL (2011-2012)
LANCIA - SF N.DELTA 1400-1600-1800(1993-1999)
LANCIA - SG N.DELTA 2.0 -1750 132CV ('93-'99)
LANCIA - TH NUOVA DELTA 844 (2008-2011)
LANCIA - SD THEMA 3.0 V6 FL.92 (1992-1994)
LANCIA - SZ THEMA BZ/DS R.88 (1988-1992)
LANCIA - SC THEMA TURBO DS FL.92 (1992-1994)
LANCIA - SJ THESIS (2001-2007)
LANCIA - ZL Y10 FL.89 (1988-1992)
LANCIA - ZM Y10 R.92 (1992-1995)
FIAT PROFESSIONAL - 1W DOBLO (2000-2004)
FIAT PROFESSIONAL - 2W DOBLO MY. 2004 (2004-2005)
FIAT PROFESSIONAL - 3C DOBLO REST. 2005 (2005-....)
FIAT PROFESSIONAL - 2M FIORINO (1991-1993)
FIAT PROFESSIONAL - 2N FIORINO RL (1993-2000)
FIAT PROFESSIONAL - 3V NUOVO DOBLO 2009 (2009-....)
FIAT PROFESSIONAL - 4X NUOVO DUCATO MY 2011 (2011-2014)
FIAT PROFESSIONAL - 4Y NUOVO DUCATO MY 2014 (2014-....)
FIAT PROFESSIONAL - 1G STRADA (1999-2005)

s130, thank you for your response. I checked ePER, but was not able to go further (results in an error). It might be because of the country where I am accessing it from. This is the extent I get to and it results in error:
ePER_1.jpg
ePER_2.jpg

To get back on the starter bolt, I removed the one from the other end, and found it was 75 mm and not 65 mm as you reported. Do you think we are looking at the wrong engine version.

Here is the picture of the starter bolt. It is 75 mm and M8-1.25 X 7.5:
IMG_20201209_132549.jpg
 
Well your 1983 Pinzgauer (an Austrian military truck) was never listed on ePER as a vehicle anybody could definitively look up.

I was going on your reference to a Fiat Croma engine. From what I can see other engines were used as well.

As you now have the bolt dimensions you should be able to source a replacement bolt.

What I would say/suggest is the you thoroughly examine the whole engine looking for casting numbers, serial numbers, etc.. Anything to narrow real engine identity down.

And even if we get engine identity sorted out we then have that little problem of engine XYZ being used in Fiat cars but also used in other makes such a Morgan Sports Cars.

Morgan/Pinzgauer/Ford/.... could have changed any and all aspects of the "basic Fiat unit" to meet their specific applications.

Thanks for keeping us all posted on your findings.
 
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s130, no, I did not search for Pinzgauer in ePER.
Yes, you are right in mentioning about engine variants. I will try to find any serial numbers that could help identify.

I will move forward with ordering those bolts. Thanks again for your help.
 
Thanks again everyone for all your help. I do appreciate your time.
Will start a new thread for the build.
 
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