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Re: Power steering failure - currently broken down

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Sounds like you replaced the control loom. The heavy power loom is usually the one giving trouble.

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An interesting development. I thought I would have another look yesterday evening. Checked all the fuses which were ok and then removed the engine cover to give more room and light. Got my hand down to what I think was the power lead and 'jiggled it about'. Guess what? the steering is back, dont know how long for but at least its a start. What I don't know is whether it is the power lead or the pump itself thats causing the problem. From what members have said in various threads it could well be the lead.
At least if I decide to get rid I can drive it down and part exchange it. Might have another go before I finally decide.
Does anyone know where the other end of the power lead goes as I cant seem to decide whether it actually passes into the main loom itself?
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Forgot to mention, Great Dog. I have one virtually identical.
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Re: Power steering failure - currently broken down

Hi,
Almost certainly the lead is the root cause. However the garage work and your wiggle (maybe garage didn't get connector in tight) may well have cured it for a reasonable time. If it acts up again a Vectra lead and quick polish of the pins on the pump should be a permanent cure.

Same choice in car and dog, that's weird. Mind you we didn't choose the dog, she chose me. We were at Wood Green thinking about something small and non shedding and this supposed shy and nervous Shepherd-Husky cross dragged her walker over to greet me.
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Re: Power steering failure - currently broken down

Thought I would risk using the Croma to get to work today and let my wife use my other car, a Panda. Arrived ok and car worked as normal. Hopefully it will get me home.
If the weather is ok at the weekend I think I will see if I can trace the where the cable runs to and if I can do this, order a Vectra lead and do as you suggest with the pins on the pump. Will post how I get on.

P.S My dog is also a girl but she is a Shepherd/Rotti cross. My Croma is also silver (yours looks silver in the photo). Wierd it is. Thanks for your help, made me feel a little bit happier with my croma.
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Spent a bit of time this weekend on trying to get to the cable. Found the best way was to take the panel off in the offside wheel arch and with a strong light from above you can see the cable however it is difficult to get the power lead plug off the pump. Decided to leave it for another day as the car appears to be running ok for now.

I tried to follow where the cable goes to but it vanishes into the loom sheathing and so it would appear that you need to take the loom sheathing off to expose the cables. You can actually see that the loom is carrying quite a few cables and if I go down this road I am worried I could damage something.

I ve not checked through all the posts to do with this steering problem, but, if anyone has managed to change the lead would you know if my thoughts as above are correct.
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Re: Power steering failure - currently broken down

Spent a bit of time this weekend on trying to get to the cable. Found the best way was to take the panel off in the offside wheel arch and with a strong light from above you can see the cable however it is difficult to get the power lead plug off the pump. Decided to leave it for another day as the car appears to be running ok for now.

I tried to follow where the cable goes to but it vanishes into the loom sheathing and so it would appear that you need to take the loom sheathing off to expose the cables. You can actually see that the loom is carrying quite a few cables and if I go down this road I am worried I could damage something.

I ve not checked through all the posts to do with this steering problem, but, if anyone has managed to change the lead would you know if my thoughts as above are correct.
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Re: Power steering failure - currently broken down

Rightly or wrongly I just left the original cable in the loom disconnected at both end and routed the replacement that was from a Vectra c as close to it as I could.

You're right about the access panel inside the wheel arch being the easiest way to get to it. It's actually quite easy to replace once you've worked out how to touch it. When my cable was failing giving it a wiggle would sometimes help for a while.

Have you got the replacement cable yet?
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Re: Power steering failure - currently broken down

Exist a modified cable for solve power steering failure for croma.
Problem is the original connector. Is cheap price.
I have fitted in 3 Croma and solve immediately.

Sorry for my bad english.
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Re: Power steering failure - currently broken down

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Exist a modified cable for solve power steering failure for croma.
Problem is the original connector. Is cheap price.
I have fitted in 3 Croma and solve immediately.

Sorry for my bad english.

Hi and welcome.
Here in the UK were Cromas are rare we tend to fit used Vauxhall (Opel) Vectra C leads a they are cheap and easy to find. Do you have a link to the seller of the one you have used?


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Yes, i'm glad to help!

I',m a 3 Croma owner, Italian, all of the Croma i have changed this cable,
because the problem is the cable connector to the pump.

New cable is reinforced (see the red plastic, original not have, only slim plastic near pin connection on the pump), and solve immediately the power steering failure.

i Have buy here in Italy, but i think ship worldwide.

i can't post url's, haven't 5 posts, then

google search: Errebishop Cablaggio Elettroguida FIAT Croma, is 41

Sorry for my bad english.
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Re: Power steering failure - currently broken down

Like this one
/www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CABLAGGIO-ALIMENTAZIONE-POMPA-ELETTRICA-ELETTROGUIDA-FIAT-CROMA-COD-51844351/261514666843


Thanks for the information. Your English is much better than my Italian and I've visited a few times.
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yes! Perfect! Thank you.
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Re: Power steering failure - currently broken down

Thought I was doing too well with my Power steering. Didn't realise it was back in April I posted regards this, so got away with nearly 6 months of no steering problems. But its back with a vengeance. So I think I am going to go ahead and try and get a vectra cable or the one pistiriddi suggests.

Obviously the black lead is the ground, and in the photo pistririddi supplied, looks shorter than the red lead.

Does anyone know where the ground is attached and I assume the red live wire goes to either the fusebox or maybe a relay? I don't have a circuit diagram to check how the connections are made so it is a case of trying to work out in-situ.

Anyone know the best place to get the Vectra lead?
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Re: Power steering failure - currently broken down

Hi,
You can download the Croma electronic service manual "eLearn" here https://www.fiatforum.com/downloads....downloadid=373
You have to downlod the sections and uncompress them into a .ISO file and then burn that to a CD-ROM I used 7zip to decompress them.

It has the schematics. I think the lead goes to the fuses on the battery connector. I'm in the USA on business at the moment and don't have my eLearn disk with me to check.

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