Technical Engine management lamp on on running in 'limp home' mode

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Technical Engine management lamp on on running in 'limp home' mode

Cote DAzur

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Call it sods law or what: the day before I'm due to drop Croma off for its MOT the engine management lamp comes on and the car goes in to 'limp home mode'!!!

Well Im due to drive to South of France in a couple of hours (in my van) so I will be leaving car with my garage & await the bill upon my return in a week!:bang:
 
Mine was due to the EGR, which proved to be beyond cleaning.
After replacement I got a DPF regen, I think the few miles with the EGR seized was not good for the DPF.
Now have Fiatecuscan and a new battery in the laptop, with a cable.
 
This is a classic example why owning cheap or more advanced code reader / EOBD diagnostic kit can be a "god send". From £20 to £250 there are devices out there to match and aid your ability to use them.

Cote DAzur seems to be lucky in that his van was already destined for duty.

As Doofer questioned an EGR failure, were it so in then in this case then it is a classic example case where one could carry on driving without worrying about vehicle damage.

Whilst I applaud the massive steps made in on-board vehicle diagnostics etc. I abhore the motor industry trade (in many cases) hiding behind the end user's engine management warning light and code, and then playing "shadow boxing" with the customer while they figure out how dumb or clued up you are about these matters.

Personally I think every modern car should by law be able to display in realtime and on demand to the owner all current fault codes and textually what they mean, and in addition a severity rating thus allowing the owner to make an informed decision.

Yes I know many owners know diddly squatt about even where the brake pedal is but for many owners this comprehensive diagnostic informaton would allow them to make/take an informed and calculated decision about what to do next.

Pipe dream I know but one can only hope!
 
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But then you would carry on with your journey and pop into the local garage a few days later. They would order the part from an independent supplier, fit it for a fair charge and everyone would be happy.

Instead, you drive in a panic to your nearest main dealer, where their specialist "diagnoses" the fault (plugs his computer in), for a hefty fee. Then they order and fit an overpriced bit and charge loads as it's an emergency.

The Croma has a text display that can display long messages by cycling through short sections, so the only logical reason for hiding behind the red light is to steal money off you.
 
S130 & Doofer have hit the nail on the head. Manufacturers have no right to treat customers as mushrooms-- keep us in the dark and feed us bull **it. Then have the temerity to fleece us on the cost of parts that a blatently unfit for purpose.

Mi bloods boilin!!
 
My blood boiled over years ago. Now I'm just a hard boiled egg head gone rotten.....ooops mean cynical.

Frying pan to fire and back again.

Back to the original point! It seems clear to me that modern automotive technology has far outstripped the ability of dealers and technicians to keep pace in many cases. Indeed they often rely or computer diagnostics readouts etc. as being gospel truth and have no fundamental understanding of the technology and the often subtile "cause and effects".

I've probably mentioned this before but many moons ago our old Tempra 1.8ie used to pink/tinkle at high rpm loads. It went back several times under warranty, was tested with the then diagnostic kit and idle timing, rpm and vacuum advance were found to be OK. Not satisied I eventual set to the problem myself. A simple "back to basics" static timing test, followed by a simple dynamic strobe test shown that the TDC sensor was set 5 degrees too far advanced. So when the technician plug his diagnostic kit in the kit/computer took the TDC signal as a reference point and measured everything from there. Computer said X degrees when infact it was 5+X degrees.

That was back in 1993! God knows how many other similar errors could be occuring due to lack of basic engineering / automotive engineering knowledge these days.
 
My blood boiled over years ago. Now I'm just a hard boiled egg head gone rotten.....ooops mean cynical.

Frying pan to fire and back again.

Back to the original point! It seems clear to me that modern automotive technology has far outstripped the ability of dealers and technicians to keep pace in many cases. Indeed they often rely or computer diagnostics readouts etc. as being gospel truth and have no fundamental understanding of the technology and the often subtile "cause and effects".

I've probably mentioned this before but many moons ago our old Tempra 1.8ie used to pink/tinkle at high rpm loads. It went back several times under warranty, was tested with the then diagnostic kit and idle timing, rpm and vacuum advance were found to be OK. Not satisied I eventual set to the problem myself. A simple "back to basics" static timing test, followed by a simple dynamic strobe test shown that the TDC sensor was set 5 degrees too far advanced. So when the technician plug his diagnostic kit in the kit/computer took the TDC signal as a reference point and measured everything from there. Computer said X degrees when infact it was 5+X degrees.

That was back in 1993! God knows how many other similar errors could be occuring due to lack of basic engineering / automotive engineering knowledge these days.
Ahhhhhhhh----- strobe light for timing, swapping engines on my series 5 Hillman Minx, tappet adjustment, feeler gauges, jumpers for goalposts!! (slaps face) back to reality!!-Must remember my laptop needs a new spring clean!

Bugger me was it all so long ago?!!!
 
Back in 1971 I had a flat 4 Lancia 2000 coupe which I eventually had the timing mark on the flywheel 15 degrees out. One of the best handling cars ever.
 
Well, It turned out that the 'dreaded' DPF was blocked!!!; just given the car a good trashing (70mph in 3rd gear) down motorway to clean it out as garage unable to remove DPF (siezed bolts)

It drives OK again so will wait & see what happens now

It actually passed its MOT in this state!!!
 
Any chance that the last time it was serviced the garage didn't / couldn't reset the oil change setting?

You can check how many times and when it was last changed in ECUscan.
 
Also do you know that the DPF's actually blocked or is that just what the garage says the computer says?

I had all sorts of problems with my main dealer believing their computer when it said it was the DPF blocked when it was the EGR and not the DPF all along. They had to take the DPF off to check it and when they did there was nothing wrong with it.
 
Yes it was the DPF blocked; they carried out a forced re-gen & this cured it, I used to work at this dealship & know them very well and I DO trust them too.
 
Glad you got it sorted.

Hope they didn't charge you too much to do a forced regen?

Sods law. Had you known it was a DPF issue (via a fault code reading) you could havetaken your car for a long hard thrash and would have most probably self corrected the problem.

Anyway, your sorted so that is the most important thing.
 
the lamp came on whilst returning from Devon on the M5; i wasn't hanging about but had just stopped at services & they suspect that it was in the middle of a regen when i stopped.

On a separate note; they also spotted that (despite passing MOT 2 weeks earlier) i had 2 broken front road springs (this would explain the knocking noise for the last 4 months!!) , 2 illegal rear tyres & front tyres of different sizes!!!!!!!!!!

So 2 new springs & Anti Roll bar links + diagnostic & regen at dealers later; £350.00 followed by 4 tyres & 4 wheel alignment at local tyre centre: £360.00

All in all an expensive week!
 
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