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Re: Which car would you prefer as a replacement for the Croma?

Never mind the engine, if the boot is the same as the Dodge Journey then it's no good for me - the loading height is way too high and the capacity is small for the size of the car.
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Thanks for the photos.

It looks like a cheap 4x4 to me. The interior quality reminds me of my old Kia.

I won't be getting one although they're sure to depreciate massively, so it could be tempting for £6k when it's two years old.

I think I'll be going a size smaller next time though, due to fuel prices. Big tank-like cars are looking a bit last decade now to me.
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Re: Which car would you prefer as a replacement for the Croma?

I know looks are down to individual taste but this car (The Freemont) is not for me. First impressions are that it is a typical boxy yank tank, it doesn't jump out as being different. I had a drive in my work colleague's Ford S-Max diesel and I was mightily impressed, it's not as 'soft' as the Croma but I couldn't fault it, this for me would be what I would look at replacing my Croma with or the Mondeo estate. I still have a soft spot for Italian cars though, who knows what might come along by the time a change is on the cards for me.
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Re: Which car would you prefer as a replacement for the Croma?

If we are going down the Yank Tank route - then what about the Chrysler Delta - second hand of course since all Chryslers still suffer warp drive depreciation.
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I would have a Delta, another of Fiat's marketing ploys, like the Croma. Make a RHD just for the UK, at great expense, and find it does not sell. So it will be about half original retail price for new ones in about a year. Brava and Delta production in Italy is running about 50% of break even point. I think they decided it was far too dear for the US market. They will have to do the "offer you can't refuse" leasing deals.
I still fancy a Skoda Yeti, I was a bit concerned about the auto box, but have looked it up and it seems a pretty good box, daughter has one in an Audi. Expensive to repair, but so would my Aisin be.
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I'm not a Croma owner, but as the owner of a 3dr Stilo i (strictly speaking) don't have a replacement car in Fiat Groups' current line-up either (3dr mid-size hatch). Fortunately i think the Bravo is good looking enough to be a contender even in 5 door-only format. Failing that a 3dr MiTo would get a test drive.

For me the Freemont looks OK inside, the dash does look quite Fiat with the rounded off edges & a kind of chunky look to it, but the steering wheel is vile and clearly not Fiat and whilst the exterior isn't unattractive, even the untrained eye would be suspicious that it isn't really a Fiat.

I hope they stick to their original plan & keep this away from the UK as i can't see it selling. The announcement a few months ago regarding a Qashqai-esque Bravo replacment sounds like the best Fiat-based option for Croma owners, depending on styling. A 7 seat version like the Qashqai+2 would serve as a Multipla replacement.

Obviously that leaves some Bravo owners abit stuck but i suppose the Giulietta & Delta cover the Bravo market anyway, especially with the trend to buy more premium-type hatches these days.

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I don’t – but for those that tow …

What Car? +Practical Caravan +The Camping & Caravanning Club
Towcar Awards: top used (2011)

<1425kg
Focus 2.0 TDCi Zetec 5dr (12m £12.3est, 36m £9.4est)

1425-1574kg
Vectra 1.9 CDTi 120 Exclusiv 5dr (24m £7.8est, 36m £7.0est)

1575-1724kg
MB C220 CDI Estate Sport auto (12m £24.8est, 36m £19.6est)

1725-1899kg
Kia Sportage 2.0CRDi Titan (12m £17.0est, 36m £13.3est)

1900+kg
Kia Sorento 2.5 CRDi XS (24m £14.5est, 48m £10.6est)

Source: What Car? (Aug2011)

I’ve been with FIAT so long I’ve pitiful knowledge of anything else – e.g. admire the Alfa’s, but no idea of the difference between a lusso & veloce.

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Turismo.. nice
Veloce.. very nice
Lusso.. wow

Rather interesting weight catagories. I wonder what cars (just) slip into or slip out of each section.
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Is the Chrysler Delta a badge-engineered Lancia? It looks like one.

It does look like a Croma with a fat arse though. But I'd have one when they're giving them away for peanuts.
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Give that about 9 months then
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Rather interesting weight catagories. I wonder what cars (just) slip into or slip out of each section.
I think it's caravan weight. I don't know whether it includes the weight of the driver's pipe, slippers and beard though
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I think it's caravan weight. I don't know whether it includes the weight of the driver's pipe, slippers and beard though
It’s the car’s “kerbweight” (inc 68kgs for driver & 7kgs for luggage) – the `van (Swift) appears to be the same model then weighted to 85% of the car’s kerbweight.

Any Qs I’ll do what I can – but the whole covers some 50+ cars over some 32 pages. The glimpse I gave just covered the `used’ cars.

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An 159 SW with Q4 is the daddy at the mo secondhand, within the fiat group, thats if you can find one!! 3,2 V6 Petrol or 2.4 5 Pot JTD Diesel
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Baby you can drive my KAA.

Given the news clips, it looks like Sir Macca & Nancy used his `old' (GP08 KAA) LS600H 5L V8 for the wedding. Gifted by Lexus (& delivered by airfreight) – his 2005 US tour sponsors.

Meanwhile, back on planet Earth at Croma-esk levels – *they say “the Insignia is predicted to hold on to just 33% of its original asking price after three years.”

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Well it's GM isn't it? Plus there will be all those ex-rental cars flooding the market.
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