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Old 01-02-2011   #16
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Re: Which car would you prefer as a replacement for the Croma?

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That Freemont does look like the natural successor to the Croma. Very nice looking. It is American though, which probably means it's huge on the outside and tiny inside. And the dashboard will be made out of yogurt pots.

http://www.dodge.com/en/2011/journey/

26mpg - not bad for a yank tank! Should be better with a Fiat diesel though.

I've read that it's coming to Europe, but unlikely to be coming to the UK - I guess Fiat still remember the failure of the Croma on this snobby, brand-obsessed island.
Don't mock the yanks. My partner had a Chrysler Neon from 97 to 2003, put 80,000 miles on it at about 90mph most of the time. It never missed a beat, apart from a battery failure after 6 years. Not the most refined of cars but it was damned quick for a bog std saloon; and it worked.



Car just before it was sold with 83k on it.
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Re: Which car would you prefer as a replacement for the Croma?

I really liked the Neon myself when it was around. I remember seeing the sporty version, which looked amazing.

Sadly they replaced it with that PT Cruiser thing, which we did look at while viewing a Croma at a dealer. It's incredibly cramped inside - like a Fiesta.
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For me: Scooby Legacy Estate. Pedigree from a company used to building tough cars for Australian farmers and thence rally cars. The 2006/7 version looks nice, too...

American car = buy your own oil field and cracking plant.
French car = go on an intensive mechanic's course. Unless you wnat to simply look at it. May even fall apart then.
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Re: Which car would you prefer as a replacement for the Croma?

Strada 130TC Abarth Estate (custom job of course and like most Fiats a few years old a complete parts nighmare).
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Re: Which car would you prefer as a replacement for the Croma?

Another Croma of course
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Re: Which car would you prefer as a replacement for the Croma?

wow this is a bit sureal,i had exactly the same conversation with a Fiat salesman today after i dropped my croma off for a diagnostic check.It dawned on me today,when the croma is ready for retirement what im i going to buy to replace it.He informed me Fiat are working on something right now.
Ive just looked at the Freemont.Looks like a successer to the croma and does look a bit similar.I like it.
I also heard a rumour FPT(fiat power train)are working on a big v6 diesel to replace the 5 pot.Maybe this will get it.
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Re: Which car would you prefer as a replacement for the Croma?

Well possibly one thing that the Freemont / Dodge / Chrysler / USA can bring to us is that in the US a 'lemon' car is quickly identified and brought to justice. The Americans appear to have a far lower tolerance of crap, poor reliability, customer service etc. than us EU numptys.

Question is can the Fiat / Chrysler setup allow the US/Dodge/Chrysler better parts of the business sort out the poorer parts of the Fiat business. AND over here and not over there!
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My dream Croma replacement (that isn't going to actually happen) would be the Skoda Yeti. A good all-rounder, just like the Croma, plus 4WD and a more van-shaped back end, and prettier than the Croma too.

And I liked it long before Clarkson raved about it on Sunday.
I've now come round to your way of thinking, especially with the 170BHP engine. It seems like a very good package but I'll have to wait a couple of years for them to be cheap enough

Having a look round one in the near future to see if I can spot any reasons to rule it out.
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Re: Which car would you prefer as a replacement for the Croma?

I have been looking at the Yeti specs, and the are no real auto options, the DSG has had a poor service record and is incredibly expensive to service. The Alfa selespeed also had a terrible reputation, but it was really because the dealers had absolutely no idea how to set up and maintain them.
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Beware of the electrics especially the electric hand brake. I posted about this on a previous thread but cannot be arsed to search for it . My workmate who had one has finally got rid of his and copped a real shower when he traded it in!!!
The new freemont looks great but may be a tad underpowered , depending on the weight etc. May have missed the boat by the time it is sold in Britain.
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I have been looking at the Yeti specs, and the are no real auto options, the DSG has had a poor service record and is incredibly expensive to service. The Alfa selespeed also had a terrible reputation, but it was really because the dealers had absolutely no idea how to set up and maintain them.
Appreciate that Keith, for my towing needs it would have to be a (manual-only) 170BHP. Having recently spent three months of my life driving old landrover TD5s around I now believe that I would be able to manage a manual car again if the driving position was right.

I've got a couple of Croma years left no matter what so it's all academic at this stage. I think the only thing that would delay the decision would be if a low-mileage 2.4 came up for sale in the meantime, that might last me a bit longer. I'm setting a 'line in the sand' for my car of 120,000 miles, which roughly equates to two more years of use. Having said that, I've got a motorbike again so that may help reduce the car's mileage a little.
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Re: Which car would you prefer as a replacement for the Croma?

My thought's at the moment is a Jeep Patriot with the 2.2 Merc engine.
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Re: Which car would you prefer as a replacement for the Croma?

I looked at a Jeep Patriot a few years ago. They are very cheap-looking inside (and quite small).

The main issue I found was that its carrying capacity is severely limited. I use my car for lugging occasionally, so it's important. However, I remember looking at the specs and thinking that it wasn't actually capable of carrying 5 people, or 4 people + luggage. Obviously the VW (I thought it was VW, not Merc) diesel engine is much heavier than the petrol one it was designed for, so the difference is subtracted from its carrying capacity.
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Just got back from Italy and I went to see the new Freemont I have attached some photos leave to you to comment..
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Re: Which car would you prefer as a replacement for the Croma?

Suppose weshould not have expected anything different.

At least with the Croma we got Italian styling. Even the interior was very much Fiat from the steering wheel to the dashboard.

Freemont steering wheel is ugly and the dashboard even more so.

Shame you didn't get a picture of the engine & compartment.

I suppose one good thing about it being introduced to Europe first/initially is that if it ever does get released in the UK then hopefully we will have good reliability information available to us.
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