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Uncool.
Torn on this one.
I went for cool though, it has a certain "those in the know"/q car status to it.
I went for cool though, it has a certain "those in the know"/q car status to it.
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That's exactly what I was trying to explain with my suggestion of the Grande Punto Eleganza, lol!
The Eleganza is just a trim level on a grande though, not a model in it's own right.
It's like asking if a 500 pop is cooler than a 500 lounge or if a Mk2 active isn't as cool as a mk2 active sport.
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You could say that about the Cinquecento Sporting or Punto GT though. The Eleganza is still a rare car, and it is that little bit different to most Grande Puntos.
No you couldn't
The cinquecento sporting had a completely different engine, transmission, trim and suspension revisions, it was a model in its own right.
Exactly the same as the Punto GT.
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What about the seicento sporting though?
What about it?
Had the engine LONG before Fiat put it in any other Seicentos, still had slightly different transmission along with suspension changes and trim unique to the sporting.
It's a model in it's own right.
that ****box engine puts me off clicking cool
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You could say that about most cars though, lol! My Grande Punto Eleganza has trim and equipment spec unique to the Eleganza, my parents' mk2 Corsa SXi has trim and alloys unique to the SXi, you get the gist.
I don't.
Does your eleganza drive any different to another Grande with the same engine?
What difference is there to the Brakes on an Eleganza? the suspension? the steering? Does it have more power than another Grande with the same engine via a different ecu? Basically, does it have any mechanical changes?
If it does not and it's changes are only trim related, it is a trim level.
If it does not have any unique mechanical differences, it is a trim level, not a unique model.
For example, 500 Pop and Lounge.
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Again, surely you could say that about any car though? At the end of the day, a Cinquecento Sporting is still a Cinquecento, for example. The mechanical layout is still the same, it's merely a different variant. Each variant has SOMETHING that makes it different to the other variants, be it tweaked suspension, different trim, a different engine, etc.
Well in that case An Abarth Grande is still a Grande, so your eleganza is already up there
The cinq sporting has all that you listed to differ from the rest of the range, All of which only appeared on the sporting and made it drive unlike the others in the range. The Eleganza grande doesn't so is not a model in it's own right.
Again i'll say it, the 500 pop and lounge. Same cars, different trim. Exactly the same as the Eleganza to the equivalent GP (basically a sporting without the Sporting goodies, but others in their place). Cinquecentos, the s and the sx are only trim levels, Seicento Sporting Abarths and Schumachers are just trim levels of the Sporting etc etc.
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Well in that case An Abarth Grande is still a Grande, so your eleganza is already up there
A fair point, lol. To me though, it just feels special, the fact that it doesn't shout about the fact it's the top level, (unlike a fiesta, which has Titanium written in very noticeable writing on the back) and the fact that it is rare.
The cinq sporting has all that you listed to differ from the rest of the range, All of which only appeared on the sporting and made it drive unlike the others in the range. The Eleganza grande doesn't so is not a model in it's own right.
For me personally, that still doesn't make it a model in it's own right, it's still merely a variant of the Cinquecento, aimed at a certain type of buyer, same as the Grande Punto Eleganza. The Cinquecento Sporting was aimed at people who wanted a tiny pocket rocket, whereas the Grande Punto Eleganza was aimed at the people who didn't want/need anything bigger than a supermini, yet still wanted a plush, well equipped car.
In both cases, they represent bargains for the more intelligent used car buyer, lol!
Again i'll say it, the 500 pop and lounge. Same cars, different trim. Exactly the same as the Eleganza to the equivalent GP (basically a sporting without the Sporting goodies, but others in their place). Cinquecentos, the s and the sx are only trim levels, Seicento Sporting Abarths and Schumachers are just trim levels of the Sporting etc etc.
Again, I would only class them as completely different models if there was a truly significant difference to the other variants in the range. For example, the Clio V6 is a different model to the regular mk2 Clio because it is RWD instead of FWD, and has a V6 engine in the middle of the car rather than a 4 pot in the front, if that makes sense?
See my point about the Abarth GP and the Normal Grande then
Define "significant difference"? i would say a unique engine, suspension AND trim qualifies as "significant difference"
Punto GT for example might well be "a Punto" in the exact same way as a Cinq Sporting is just "A Cinq", neither has the same difference as a v6 clio compared to a normal clio, but it doesn't change the fact that all the models drive totally differently to a "normal model".
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See my point about the Abarth GP and the Normal Grande then
Define "significant difference"? i would say a unique engine, suspension AND trim qualifies as "significant difference"
Punto GT for example might well be "a Punto" in the exact same way as a Cinq Sporting is just "A Cinq", neither has the same difference as a v6 clio compared to a normal clio, but it doesn't change the fact that all the models drive totally differently to a "normal model".
I did with the Clio example, lol! With regards to the Cinquecento Sporting, its easy to consider that as an individual model because there is so few Cinquecento variants. I get your point with regards to difference in the driving experience, but many cars have such a wide variety of different variants, you can't necessarily use that to define a particular variant as an individual model. Its kinda hard to explain really. Using the Grande Punto Eleganza and Abarth for example, both are rare, therefore making them more interesting variants, therefore making them both eligible for the cool wall, yet both have a different target clientele. And both aren't just "normal", yet both are still Grande Puntos.
But the Eleganza IS a normal Grande, what makes it different aside from some trim/options compared to a "normal" one?
It's pretty simple IMO, there are 3 real variants of Grande
1.Grande Punto
2.Grande Punto Sporting
3.Grande Punto Abarth
The Eleganza is in the top end of section 1 just below the sporting, basically a sporting without the sport bits.
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Not at all. All 3 that you mention are still Grande Puntos, just different variants. Its not as simple as there being just 3 real types. You don't mention the diesels? You wouldn't tell a Panda 4x4 Sisley owner that their car isn't a more interesting variant than any other Panda, would you?
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Basically, a Cinquecento is a Cinquecento. The sporting is the more interesting variant. A mk1 Punto is a mk1 Punto. The ELX, Sporting and GT being the more interesting variants. A mk2 Punto is a mk2 Punto, with the HLX, HGT, Sporting and Eleganza being the more interesting variants. A Grande Punto is a Grande Punto, with the Eleganza, Sporting and Abarth being the rarer, more interesting variants.
