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I've allways found dell laptops to be a reasonably good quality
Thanks chris. It was the Dell which appealed most to me after Portland Bills comments earlier. The fancy Blue HP with it's 2 TB memory can become the main "desktop" and backup facility and the Dell can be my general purpose, in the garage and general lugging around workhorse.
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Dells have been a favourite for businesses for many years and are reliable if not abused. And as your local guy says, parts are available if necessary.

Personally I'd go with a Win7 if offered. Much more user friendly, just does the job well without the 'fluff' that Win10 adds. Also you have control over updates, so can choose what and when, rather than have Windows do its thing at inconvenient times.
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Dells have been a favourite for businesses for many years and are reliable if not abused. And as your local guy says, parts are available if necessary.

Personally I'd go with a Win7 if offered. Much more user friendly, just does the job well without the 'fluff' that Win10 adds. Also you have control over updates, so can choose what and when, rather than have Windows do its thing at inconvenient times.
Thanks for that PB. His default seems to be to supply with Windows7, you have to pay a small premium to get "upgraded" to Windows10. I've never used Windows7 having jumped directly from Vista on the old Tosh to Windows10 on the flashy new HP. It took me quite some time to get up and running with Windows10 and it still catches me out sometimes. Will Windows7 be easy enough for me to get used to and how long do you think they might go on supporting it (I'm remembering that Microsoft have stopped supporting Vista).
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Win7 has the same look and feel as XP and Vista, so will be familiar and easy to navigate.

I understand that Win 8 & 10 are built onto the Win7 core, so I'd expect Win7 support to continue along with Win10. A lot of corporate customers are sticking with Win7, so Microsoft will maintain it for some time. They got caught out when they created Win2000 and a huge number of customers kicked up as so many programs would not run, so I doubt they'll do that again.
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Unfortunately Win 7 support is coming to end in January 2020 and there will be no security updates after that.

What I will add is that I'm in no rush to update my home computing which is all on Win 7 however that is mainly because I have access to Win 10 through the work laptop and anything security sensitive can be done through there.

For posting nonsense on the internet I will continue to use my Win 7 PC and laptop until they break
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If your planning on just using it for diagnostics in the garage etc. then try looking out for a Panasonic CF-H2 (NOT the H1 version). Runs Windows 7 and MES with ease. I have one I use for MES.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PANASONIC...kAAOSwQydcrvxl

or one of the Panasonic Toughbook versions. VERY solid cases and tough as old boots. Just make sure it's one of the newer versions as many eBay sellers try to pass off the old stuff as good i.e. old core duo versions. The mk number indicates the version, higher mk model number = newer version. CF19 mk3 vs CF19 mk5 etc.

If unsure just ask, plenty of people on here to give advice.
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Thanks for that lkc and thanks to everyone else for the advice - it helps me a lot as my lack of knowledge on these things leaves me feeling very unsure and vulnerable. Might try to talk him into a "special deal" on the windows 10 update. (especially as I'm quite into my win10 now)

Still trying to factor in the Scottish Italian Car Day lkc. My sister- who lives about 2 hours west of Boston Mass - is proposing to come over with her entire family (including children and grandchildren) They are proposing to take a house up somewhere around Loch Tay and we all (self and family and grandchildren also my brother) are to spend a long weekend with them. My sister is a disaster area when it comes to organizing things and always does things at the last possible moment then expects everybody else to make it happen! So who knows when they are coming but she says soon? Want to bet it'll be that weekend?

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If you want a machine to run MES, it has to be Windows.

But if you want a reliable laptop that just works, the Apple Macbooks take some beating. They always were expensive and brand new they are silly money. But you can get really good used machines for a lot less.

Sadly Macs wont work with MES but over the 7 years I've owned it my MacBook Pro 13" has cost nothing more than 50 to upgrade the memory to 16GB. I back it up to an USB disc, keep it charged and it just works. Original cost was 1000 so to date about 150 per year. None of the PCs (desktops and laptops, including Dells) ever came close to that. Two desktops were scrap after 30 months because the motherboards failed and nothing inside the case was transferable on the (then) current boards. The loss of important data at a deadline pushed me into getting something better built.

Mine is a 2012. This 2010 is not bad for general use and it has a superfast (and large) solid state disc. Battery costs about 50 and memory upgrade to 16GB about the same. Both can be fitted by anyone who can use a screwdriver. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Apple-MacBook-Pro-13-2-4GHz-Core-2-Duo-8GB-RAM-512MB-SSD-boxed-needs-battery/233218893440?epid=4031181761&hash=item364cede680:g :r4sAAOSw6-Nc0EHP
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Thanks for that Dave. I still haven't taken the plunge on this as the HP works fine - it's just too big. I've looked at Macs a couple of times mainly because my son in law is really into everything Apple but I keep coming back to how to run my VCDS and MES programs. He recons you can run a "virtual" windows on the Mac and probably therefore run my programs that way? all too complicated for a simple old codger like me!
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Thanks for that Dave. I still haven't taken the plunge on this as the HP works fine - it's just too big. I've looked at Macs a couple of times mainly because my son in law is really into everything Apple but I keep coming back to how to run my VCDS and MES programs. He recons you can run a "virtual" windows on the Mac and probably therefore run my programs that way? all too complicated for a simple old codger like me!
It's surprisingly simple to run a virtual is at least on windows
You just use a program called virtual box
Then you install windows like normal from within that program
It's like running a second computer inside a separate window

Never done it on a mac however so knowing apple it may be more complicated
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On the Apple you need "Bootcamp", a registered version of Windows and lots of spare disc space. Then you can boot whichever OS you want.

A friend did this with a MacBook but said he hardly ever bothered with the Windows bootup. I never bothered, but to be fair I do not need to use any Windows only software.
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/d...-windows-macos
My 2012 Macbook Pro has an excellent sleep function rarely needing a hard reboot. The hibernation (copying to disc on low battery) is very slow and the return is unstable so that forces a reboot.
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Good morning fellow Fiat fans!

Just thought I'd "nudge" this thread to see if anyone would care to offer an opinion on refurb laptops?
Hi PAJ

I have a family with three lap tops 2 are HP refurbished and 1 was new. If you go for Grade A which I have there is no difference in the product at all. Grade A are probably just exchanged and are as new. The guarantee however is less usually 3 months Grades B and below I have not tried and wouldnt as it is a risk too far for me.

HP backup and service work has been easy and good and if you take the extended warranty you get a level of tech support thrown in. I did buy a refurbed HP that was not working as it should but it was refub=nded without a problem by the seller. Any how I wouldnt shy away too fsr from a refurb as you do save quite a lot of money if you shop around.

Good luck!!
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