Hi,

I don't know how, but between my eldest son and my wife, they've managed to blowup her Cinq Sporting engine. Headgasket, warped head, boiled over big style!!!....In a nut shell......well and truely goosed!

Anyway, I've managed to find a low mileage Sei Sporting engine and wondered if it fits straight in or is there anything I need to change to get it to fit.

As a precaution, I'm planning to do the cam belt, tensioner pulley, water pump and clutch at the same time. Anything else to think of?

Appreciate any advice :chin: as I want to do the change over this weekend if possible.

Regards,
namb

UPDATE.....
CHECKED THE ENGINE NUMBER AND IT SHOWS:
176B2.000
8676441
ANY IDEAS WHAT VERSION THIS IS AND WHETHER IT'LL FIT OK??

AFAIK know differences between the spi units though why not consider the 1242 upgrade as your doing it?

does the engine look like this



If so this is the MPI unit and your cinq is SPI so you might have more work to do to drop it in.

If it looks nothing like that then you have the SPI engine which is exactly the same as what your cinq one was, which means it would be more of a straight swap

You need to find the cause of the boiling. Check the radiator, fan switch, and fan operation. One boil up is enough.

As our Edinburgh correspondant says, no difference between SPi units, but make sure it is an SPi unit that you get.

Cheers

D

rallycinq said:

You need to find the cause of the boiling. Check the radiator, fan switch, and fan operation. One boil up is enough.

As our Edinburgh correspondant says, no difference between SPi units, but make sure it is an SPi unit that you get.

Cheers

D

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My thoughts entirely,

The boil up was due to the the water pump. The fan cut out when the water disappeared as temp gauge/sensor doesn't work on steam (when level drops). When I refilled and ran the engine - not very smoothly I must add - when the temp came up, the fan cut in, so that side is ok.

Problem I now have, I think the engine I have is different to the original!!!!!!! I'll have to have a good look to see what version it is....does anyone know the engine number sequences for the different engines? Can I remove the ancilary gubins and fit the cinq stuff?? Or is that too easy a fix??

Now Panicing!
namb

Good response so thanks so far guys

AppleSei said:

does the engine look like this

If so this is the MPI unit and your cinq is SPI so you might have more work to do to drop it in.

If it looks nothing like that then you have the SPI engine which is exactly the same as what your cinq one was, which means it would be more of a straight swap

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Just noticed....
The plate on the exhaust manifold doesn't have the same plate on it though.....simple plate with the spigot that goes to the airfilter is the same as the cinq currently fitted.
regards,
namb







Photo is a little too far out to check. Do you have any close up pics?

Problem I now have, I think the engine I have is different to the original!!!!!!! I'll have to have a good look to see what version it is....does anyone know the engine number sequences for the different engines? Can I remove the ancilary gubins and fit the cinq stuff?? Or is that too easy a fix??

Now Panicing!
namb

Good response so thanks so far guys

Hi guys,

Just checked the engine number


176B2.000
8676441

Any ideas whether this will fit?

regards,
namb

The simple answer is to look at the inlet on the new engine. Does it have a plastic manifold with four injectors (MPi) or does it have a cast alloy manifold with a single throttle body in the middle (SPi).

If its an SPi engine, then all the cinq gubbins will swap, don't bother about plates here or there, the only difference that matters is the head, and as yours is banana shaped, you need a head.

The heads are different on the MPi engine and the SPi manifold will not mate to it at all.

Cheers

D

176B2.000 engine is definitively a SPI engine and has been fitted to the Cinquecento.

Thanks for the responses.....brilliant as usual from the forum:worship: !

So, final checks for differences before the weekend and here we go!!!

Any more comments welcomed....I'll be picking up the forum through the next few days......

Thanks again guys,
regards,
namb

no more differences to note really, with that engine code it'll be a straight swap.

Good luck with it. If it were me, i'd be replacing the headgasket, cam shaft oil seals, crank oil seals, water pump, thermostat, cam belt, tensioner, alternator belt, and clutch too actually for what they cost.

I'd do the clutch, thats a cert. I'd also check the clutch lever is free in the bellhousing, they can stiffen up a bit, and now is the chance to loosen it off.

Cheers

D

If you're scrapping the old engine, I could use some bits off it!

Engine problems....

As usual, nothing goes as expected!

Been out of the country meant the cinq engine didn't get done to plan....fortunately the wife has a MX5 for summer use and the son has a motorbike so transport hasn't been a problem for them....but

Managed to get everything out, dropped the engine gearbox complete with drive shafts and brakes.

Bl00dy clips everywhere ....real sod to get out I can say:bang: . Lowered out on a jack and pulled clear as one unit.

Split the gearbox off....clutch was due for replacement - cover plate fingers almost through!

So, replacement engine on the bench....started to thnik about the bits to change.....clutch, water pump, cambelt etc....and plugs!

You guessed it, replacement engine No 3 plug has a cross thread . Anyway managed to get it out and began to think about how to tackle it:idea: . I don't want to split the engine, so plug chaser, grease and high pressure airline, I start....

30mins later, no debris in cylinder (held at TDC with valves closed), grease captured all of the aluminium cuttings , good blast of high pressure air and it appears I may have saved the thread. Plug now seats finger tight onto the plug seat.

So, moved onto cambelt....yes you guessed it, the marks don't line up:bang: :bang: :bang: ! Struth, what next. Appears to be one, possibly two teeth out. So do I set the marks as I should or do I replace as is? My initial thougths are, the belts has already been changed and been refitted wrongly. I noticed the plugs I removed :idea: were all very very rich (black and sooty) which to me indicates the timing has been all to pot with poor running.....

Think I need to take a chill pill and ask you guys what you think?:chin:

Getting annoyed now....
namb

Re: Engine problems....

When sticking the new engine in I'd replace all the serviceable bits so that once you stick it in it's happy motoring and not something a few K's down the line which may require you to strip it again.

The engine sounds like a duffer, one whos someones tried to do theirselves but were crap, it can be saved yeah just takes a bit of time so hope you never paid too much for the new engine?

Liam

PS your engine number says 1108 SPI Cinq Sporting to my EPR HTH.

Liam,

Just frustrated. Everything else looks ok, clean but not cleaned engine if you know what I mean. Nice and dry. Head gasket looks ok. all water ways look clean. Rocker cover all clear. Only paid £150 so that's as much as a heat gasket and skim, oil filter and my time! As if I have nothing else to do!!

Looks as though its just had a 'bad' service - crossed plug thread and cambelt. It'd run but not very well is my guess. With it being a non interference motor, there's no valve damage, just poor performance. Mileage was warranted as 29k so fingers crossed everything will be ok once I get it sorted.

I'm also changing:

• Clutch - cover, plate and bearing
• Water pump
• plugs
• filters
• cambelt
• tensioner pulley

I'll have the thermostat out to check that opens at the right temperature.

Can't think of anything else? Fingers crossed!!

If it gives up the ghost.....I'll just put it down to experience and get something else!

Regards,
namb
Mark

So do I set the marks as I should or do I replace as is?

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Reset the marks. You're lucky insofar as this is a "safe" engine -- were it (say) an Alfa 155 you'd be looking at a new top and bottom end! (The big end and even mains tend to get squidged when the valves hit the piston.)

If the plug chaser didn't do the job (and I'd be inclined to check with a properly torqued up plug before you refit the engine) you can pick up a helicoil kit pretty cheaply and follow the same routine. Just check that that plug isn't running outside of its heat range.

BTW, on these engines it's not at all unusual for the outside of the plug to be pretty sooty: it's the colour of the electrode which is important.

fingers99 said:

Reset the marks. You're lucky insofar as this is a "safe" engine -- were it (say) an Alfa 155 you'd be looking at a new top and bottom end! (The big end and even mains tend to get squidged when the valves hit the piston.)

If the plug chaser didn't do the job (and I'd be inclined to check with a properly torqued up plug before you refit the engine) you can pick up a helicoil kit pretty cheaply and follow the same routine. Just check that that plug isn't running outside of its heat range.

BTW, on these engines it's not at all unusual for the outside of the plug to be pretty sooty: it's the colour of the electrode which is important.

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Thanks fingers99,
I will be reseting the marks - don't know if the belt can jump a tooth?? But the belt is very 'slack'. Can the belt 'climb' over the camshaft pulley....anyone had this experience???
I'm with you on the plug chaser - Helicoil is on the shelf just in case - I always torque the important stuff - especially if when it fails it'll hurt!
Plugs were 'completely' black with soot - electrode included.
Regards,
namb
Mark