Technical Revs rising, then going up and down

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Technical Revs rising, then going up and down

alfacool

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Hi all.
The saga continues.
Today the car decided that 2000 revs was the norm and not to go any lower?
When started it sits at 1000 but with a bit of a touch of right foot the revs went up to 2000 and stayed there.
At one point while sitting in traffic it went up to 3000, pretty embarrassed i turned the engine off.
It also will bounce between 1500 and 2500 ??
So i ask again you wise people where should i look and more importantly how can i fix it.
Cheers.
 
The beast likely has a mechanical throttle (cable) that passes over the cylinder head and beneath the airbox, like the Cinquecento.

First of all, get your head into the engine bay, find the throttle butterfly lever on the throttle and move it to it's fully open position. Then let it go. It should snap immediately shut.

If there's any sluggishness caused by a sticking cable (the lever will be moving to close the throttle but the cable is bulging out), then your cuplrit is the cable. If the airbox is removed and then put back on with the cable beneath it, it can trap it against the head. The head moves during use, and can fret against the sheath of the cable (it's a regular Bowden cable, like a handbrake cable). Then if the inner metal winding gets deformed or corroded, that will affect the inner cable's ability to move freely. The cable should pass next to, not under the airbox.

If the cable and throttle are closing smartly but the beast is still being an arse, then it could be a dodgy sensor somewhere. The main one is likely to be the MAF sensor which I think sits in the top of the metal throttle body on the SPI at least. You need to get a magnifying glass and have a good look at it. It should look similar to a light bulb filament only a little square "microchip" thing, supported on tiny wires.

Clean it using a brake cleaner type spray. If it looks gone AWOL or bent, then it could be knackered and no amount of cleaning will save it. Also there's maybe/must be am electrical plug to the throttle body, to power and read the sensor. Make sure not loose or dirty. I don't know what readings it ought to give on a voltmeter but if it's clean and a good fit, then it's good enough for now.

Check the beast has no air-leaks on the inlet (from where the airbox seals against the throttle body).

Remove the spark plugs after a longish drive and check what they looks like. If one is much cleaner than the others, then there's possibly an engine fault (head gasket lets in coolant which washes the plug). You'll be losing coolant if this is happening. The engine "hunts" because it's running rich... it's getting fuel but instead of air, it's sucking in coolant.

If you have one lying about, also have a look at swapping out the lambda sensor. If you can get an emissions test done more cheaply than just buying a new lambda and putting it in there, that will show you whether the emissions are good or not. Knackered/way out emissions could be a lamda (or a faulty cat' .. but a knackered cat' doesn't usually affect the idle so much).

If you fitted a cone filter... put the original airbox back on. Possibly marvel at how all the problems go away.. :D

Anyways, just be methodical and work your way through the most likely stuff first. Don't ignore any strange symptoms but also don't get distracted by stuff it can't be, like engine timing or TDC sensors etc.


Ralf S.
 
Right today was dry and sunny, so perfect to look at the car.
Dropped off the positive for the battery.
Took off the airbox and gave the TB a good clean and lube
I went round all the sensor plugs and sockets, cleaning them with solvent and re-plugging.
Took off all the the ignition leads, again giving the coil packs and cable ends a good clean.
Popped out the spark plugs and yes you guessed it cleaned them up (all of them seem to be sparking equally)
Refitted the positive and started up, at first it chugged a bit but settled down quickly to 900 RPM.
Let it sit for 15 minutes then took it for a blast.
At this time all things look good with revs rising and falling as expected.
 
Only time i've had this phantom revving / high idle on a cento is with misadjusted throttle cable.

Glad you've sorted it out.

Unexpected welding is a normal part of FIAT ownership isnt it? ;)
 
Sorry only just seen this.

I had the same when the coolant temperature sensor connection was a bit dodgy.
I ended up fitting a new sensor and also fitting a new plug onto the cable.

Took me a while to work out it was due to that though, it had got quite embarrassing in traffic and the MOT man raised an eyebrow. Thankfully he was the friendly type and had a prod around. Finally finding that the revs dropped to normal when he pushed on the temp sensor connector. :idea:
 
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