Technical Frustration with water pump change.

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Technical Frustration with water pump change.

The engine earth is ontop of the gearbox.

My guess is the water might have upset something?

Disconnect the battery for longer and hopefully it'll be ok with a virgin ecu.i don't think 15 mins is long enough. Needs to be a few hours I think.

Was it revving over 3k before it overheated?
 
Thanks purf.
Yeah revs were fine when i gave it a road test after fitting the water pump etc.
I did think the water may have caused the problem?.
I had to do the flush on my MIL drive and washed the drive and underside of the car thoroughly to clean up all the gunk and coolant.
Unplugged and cleaned the crankshaft and front lambda connections after though.
May have a drive up there tomorrow and see if its dried out.
 
Well i got some good news.
Car passed its MOT yesterday with no advisories.
They were too busy to do a check into the revving issue, so will have a look into it myself.
 
Well i got some good news.
Car passed its MOT yesterday with no advisories.
They were too busy to do a check into the revving issue, so will have a look into it myself.
UPDATE:
Well it appears i may have fixed it. (y)
I remembered i had a box of car stuff in the shed ( we all have that box dont we?).
In it were some sensors i had changed on various Cento's, found a Magneti marelli crank shaft sensor and a Delphi O2 sensor.
Tried the O2 sensor, made no difference.
Then the crank shaft sensor.
BOOOM, up she revs. :slayer:
Took it out for a drive and no issues.
So i guess what may have happened, is when the reservoir popped the coolant had got in somewhere and fried it?.
 
Fantastic - well done! What's next?

Thank you.
Next, errr??
I plan to run it and enjoy it.
All the Cento's i have owned (4 now) have been as a daily driver to keep the miles off the Alfa's
But i do love em and put the same kind of care and attention into them as the expensive ones.
So maybe a clutch if my left calf gives in.
 
Bugger bugger bugger.
While i washed the car today i thought i would check the levels etc.
Expansion tank was almost empty?, so topped it up and turned over the car.
All seemed ok until i could see it was dripping at a fair rate under the car.
Looks like (i haven't investigated further) the new water pump i fitted is leaking.
Question... I guess i can whip it off again and reapply some sealant ?, i know the gasket will be no good to refit.
Has anyone just refitted with sealant?
 
Bugger bugger bugger.
While i washed the car today i thought i would check the levels etc.
Expansion tank was almost empty?, so topped it up and turned over the car.
All seemed ok until i could see it was dripping at a fair rate under the car.
Looks like (i haven't investigated further) the new water pump i fitted is leaking.
Question... I guess i can whip it off again and reapply some sealant ?, i know the gasket will be no good to refit.
Has anyone just refitted with sealant?



Following. About to change the water pump myself and wanting to hopefully avoid the issues you have had.
 
Well i have an issue.
Overheating...
Bled both taps, pumped all the pipes, heater is nice and hot, fan comes on.
But if i leave it ticking over long enough it will bubble up in the expansion tank.
No mayo anywhere
I thought at 1st i might have over filled it with coolant as i topped up to the max.
Ideas guys?

Are you over-thinking it?

If there's bubbles coming out after a complete pump/coolant change, then it could just be the system is purging itself as it is designed to do.

If it's not overheating on the temperature gauge and the hoses aren't rock hard and no fluid is being ejected from the header tank cap (which will release any pressure over 1.2 or 1.4 BAR, depending which type you have).. then what's the problem?

The bubbles ought to disappear fairly quickly, as all the air is vented out... then Roberto will be your mother's brother...

Ralf S.
 
Are you over-thinking it?

If there's bubbles coming out after a complete pump/coolant change, then it could just be the system is purging itself as it is designed to do.

If it's not overheating on the temperature gauge and the hoses aren't rock hard and no fluid is being ejected from the header tank cap (which will release any pressure over 1.2 or 1.4 BAR, depending which type you have).. then what's the problem?

The bubbles ought to disappear fairly quickly, as all the air is vented out... then Roberto will be your mother's brother...

Ralf S.
Thanks but
Im further on from that now, car has been running ok.
Its the coolant dripping from the pump area that is the issue now.
Need a dry day to strip the area and take a good look.
My question was can i refit the pump with sealant only?
Cheers.
 
It could be that one or more of the pump screws has come loose

I don't *think* the Cinq' pump screws screw into an open water channel (i.e. I think they are blind ends) but if one of them does, then your leak might be through the screw hole.

Anyways, take the pump off.. *keep* the original gasket. From memory it's one of those plastic/waxy "card" ones. Use some carb' cleaner on it to wipe off the gasket sealant etc. that you applied before (if any) and then when it's clean and dry, stick new sealant on both sides and re-fit it. It should be fine to re-use it.

I use Blue Hylomar for water pump gaskets... but if your pump screws are into an open water channel (i.e. the end of the screw hole is open) then you'll need something hard setting, like a silicone sealant, on the screw shank where it passes through the pump. Blue Hylomar only semi-sets. so it can get pushed around by coolant pressure.

I wouldn't use sealant only, if you have the gasket (even a re-used one). Some sealants only semi-set and the gasket helps keep it all together... and/or the mating faces would have to be dead straight and immaculately smooth and clean for the sealant to do the job by itself. The gasket in part evens out the variations between the mating surfaces.

Having said that, I have seen just sealant holding parts together.. so it may likely work without a gasket if you can't use the old one.... but they're only £1 or something... so why not?

Check whether the leak is coming from the horizontal steel water transfer pipe that comes from the radiatore. You might have dislodged some ancient rust or dirt that was keeping the pipe watertight. The metal pipe has a round O-ring on the end.. if you removed it when you fitted your pump, it may have snagged/been cut when you refitted it, so the leak may be from that joint, rather than the pump.

Ralf S.
 
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Its only now that i have been able to find the time to have a look at the water pump leak.
After removing all the gubbins to see it and nipping up the mounting bolts, for peace of mind (they were pretty tight really).
I refitted the alternator pulley and belt so i could turn it over.
And found it was leaking from the impeller shaft (sigh).
The part is only 4 months old and i will be making my way back to Eurocar parts to get another at the end of this week.
 
And found it was leaking from the impeller shaft (sigh).
The part is only 4 months old and i will be making my way back to Eurocarparts to get another at the end of this week.
What make was it?
Sadly there is a lot of garbage around so would be good to identify another one to avoid..!!
 
Yes.. Circoli don't seem to be great. I even found a post on a VW forum from 2014, where a Circoli pump packed up in less than 6,000 miles.

I think it was a Circoli pump that failed and threw the belt off my 145 T/Spark engine, wrecking it in the process... but I can't remember for certain so it's just me who won't ever buy another Circoli pump ever again ever.


Ralf S.
 
Well if there is anyone left reading this post, here's the outcome.
Yesterday after work i stopped off at Eurocar parts and explained what had happened.
They were great and after a few questions, ordered me a new replacement to arrive on Saturday morning.
Unfortunately they only stocked the same type, but i was willing to give it another try.
On collection today there was a massive difference in the way the new item's shaft rotated, much free'er.
I had some spare time this afternoon and got it back on, its so much quicker once you have done it before (raised eyebrows).
Results so far look good with everything doing what it should.
Hopefully this will be the last of it now.
 
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