understeer / suspension /set-up help

hi peeps .

My p reg cinq sporting has always been a tad lardy in the corners, so the time has come for a suspension kit.

ok to cover the basics
I have standard sporting rims (13inch)
camber /castor are spot on to FIAT's settings
Pirelli tyres are only 3k old and have plenty of life in them
suspension in standard and 55k old

the steering feels as though it has too much slack at the straight ahead , make cornering feed back awfull:yuck:

I would like advice on camber ,castor,toe in or out setting's, for a sharper turn in and max grip.

another part of the question is which suspention kit to buy and how low will give me best cornering performance ?
the car is stripped so rubbing isnt going to be an issue on the back but i will be using it every day , 35-40 mm ??? after a while will the kit drop even more ??

do power-flex bushes reduce the fluffy steering feeling ???? and give more of an idea of when the grip will run out ???

LAST QUESTION
the lowering guide at the top of the page is only for the front of the car, why is this ? is the back a garage only job or is it soooooooooooooo easy my nan could do and so we dont need a guide ??


many thanks

Re: understeer / suspension /set-up help

Rear Lowering is a one bolt job!

17mm drive on the lower strut bolt and the arm falls away, swap the springs over and youre away!

On the Steering issue, tracking maybe?

Apparently Powerflex bushes do improve steering feedback, but they do make the ride a bit harder!

Re: understeer / suspension /set-up help

perhaps your rack is worn.after replacing the rack on the turbo(not planned )
but the wear on the old rack was very noticable compared to the new one.

thanks very much , best call my nan then and get the ramps out :devil:

tracking etc are all as Fiat intended but it still understeers im not asking too much of the car and doing silly speeds into corners, just doesnt want to bite on initial turn in , then because of lack of steering feed back you are left clenching bum cheeks and preying its going to stick (the car not the bum cheeks)

Re: understeer / suspension /set-up help

custard boy said:

perhaps your rack is worn.after replacing the rack on the turbo(not planned )
but the wear on the old rack was very noticable compared to the new one.

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the rack is only 8 months old , it was replaced after a small lift off oversteer issue in the wet on old tyres :bang:

Curtis said:

tracking etc are all as Fiat intended but it still understeers im not asking too much of the car and doing silly speeds into corners, just doesnt want to bite on initial turn in , then because of lack of steering feed back you are left clenching bum cheeks and preying its going to stick (the car not the bum cheeks)

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Dunno...Im used to the detached feeling on the 1242, running Nankangs

The 899cc is just scary though...It DOESNT corner by comparison, 145's dont cut it...I could have sworn that was in a 4-wheel drift for a moment on the A537 the other week

55K dampers would be my first port of call. If there is no, or reduced resistance to the springs bouncing then you will get an understeering problem, particularly if you still have the front anti roll bar connected. If money is tight, leave the standard springs and uprate the dampers first. Putting new springs on shot dampers is worse than you have now.

Cheers

D

I was thinking of a Bilstein 40 mm drop kit with shox and springs , i have used them in past and have been very good .

anyone know ehat they are like for the cinq?

many thanks for the help so far

Don't have the Bilstein kit, but for normal roads a 40mm drop is enough. There are some of this parish who go for 60, but that leave little room for speed bumps and potholes, let alone comfort.

Cheers

D

I'm one of those D mentioned about -60 to... and i dont do speed bumps we'll just leave it at that

Pretty sure the camber on these wee things non adjustable and will only be adjusted by lowering the car etc, Cant go wrong with a shock and spring kit, makes the car so much nicer to drive, and gets rid of so much bodyroll its almost untrue :slayer:

For me one of the worst parts of the standard Cinq Sportng is those 165 Pirelli's, crappy wet grip and weedy looking to boot.

175 50 all the way.

Liam