right just bought this as a donor car

i want to put the engine out of this in the cinq , all parts available obv loom ecu etc

however can i use the inlet that comes with this , every on seems to use the mk1 punto inlet?

and can i use the loom as people are using the mk1 loom as well?!

confused lol

its either a 1.4 16v or 1.2 16v cant tell if its a sporting in the picture

hope you guys can help me sleep at night as im taking it out next week and dont want to remove it and find it wont work lol

Mk2b Sportings are 1.4, so that answers that question. As it's MPI I doubt you'll be able to use either inlet or loom if you plan on using your standard ECU, but wait for clarification on that.

Problem is we can't remember what you're starting with!

But, generally, how much of the harness and inlet you can use will depend on which ECU you're using.

i want to be using the ecu from the punto so i dont have to shed out for mapping or aftermarket ecu , judging by threads on here people have just wired looms from the d4 connector so you to have the sensors etc for the new engine
i know that it fits(with a few minor clearance issues (mount , headlight bolt) im just wondering why use the punto mk1 loom when i have a mk2b loom at my disposal has all the sensors needed for that engine and the matching ecu key codebox , am i also right in saying that you need the older style tb? as its cable run? planning on wipping the engine out today and degrease and paint the bay black(looks a lot neater and doesnt show up much dirt grease etc and im changing the colour , and a grey car with yellow engine bay would look naff)

i know a fair few people have joined this forum asked questions and never returned , and say they are doing conversions and never happens , if it hasnt been done before could it be? .... remember i have the WHOLE car and all the bits ( apart from a wheel he managed to rip off lol )

hope you guys can help (no doubt youve given this advice many times , and frankly probably getting very tired of it!)

Its a bog o standard sporting 1.1 8v spi

as i understand it (i'm no 16v expert, never worked on one even) the problem you have is the ecu in the punto uses fly by wire whereas the cinq just has an accelerator cable. So an issue arises of do you try make the cinq fly by wire so you can just use the stock ecu. Or do you just get an after-market ecu so you can just use the existing cable, this also mean you have more control and tune-ability. End of the day doing some wiring and using an aftermarket ecu will be just as easy as swapping out the cable for fly by wire, and possibly no more expensive.

The big problems are the fly by wire set up (reading through your other thread, it looks like someone has done it that way) and the canbus junk (which could maybe be ignored).

Conventionally, folk have either used an after market ECU (in which case you splice the flying loom into the existing one and use any old throttle body -- K Series 48mm ones are popular -- with a spacer to enable the TB to be mounted on the stock plenum) or use a Series 1 16v ECU and a FIAT pattern (Marea, Bravo, etc.) throttle body.

ahh so the punto uses the pedal sensor and electronic throttle body system
and the cinq obv uses the old skool throttle cable design,

would it just be a case of finding a throttle body that uses the cable and fits the 1.2 16v inlet? no doubt fiat wouldnt of made it easy as that lol

ahh yes because the ecu needs the fly by wire system to run properly so id need a older punto ecu and keybox and key (or get mine reprogrammed)

Hudson93 said:

ahh yes because the ecu needs the fly by wire system to run properly so id need a older punto ecu and keybox and key (or get mine reprogrammed)

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Or you could try and use the pedal sensor from the punto and have a fly by wire cinq?

i do have the whole punto i suppose or at least try to modify the cinq pedal onto the sensor and bracket? could this in therory work as its the only set back?

not familiar with the punto's pedal setup but its not gonna be the hardest thing in the world to fit the fly by wire to the cinq, either modding pedals or swapping whole lot over - just not a common mod as far as i know so less people who have actually done it to advise properly past our late night theoretical ideas. I see the more important question is is it worth the effort when you could go cable and different ecu and end up with something that can be tweaked to run just right with what bits it has, which as far as i know isn't really possible with the oem 16v ecu. As in its not mappable only chippable much like the cinq ecu. Far better to have something that can be properly setup to run the best it can run given the sum of its parts.

edit: said the man with his retro bodge mf2 fuelling system rather than proper ecu.

well heres the pedal

il have a go and at a later date if i want to get most of the mods i fit il go down the route of a standalone ECU , at the moment i just to wipe the smile off my mates face....hopefully (1.4 8v 106 quiksilver 75bhp) power to weight FTW!

mk1 items are generally used as there easier to fit but mk2b items can be used as already stated as it was completely transferred over.

i hope you have thought about the insurance side of things


Ash

just passed my test a few months ago , so doing this up a bit before i get it insured and on the road , my brother (drives a modified fiesta ST) is insured with adrian flux with all his mods declared (including a full janspeed system) slung him on my insurance as named driver with adrian flux also , with engine swap i was suprised as it was £1900 for a 19 year old with NO NCB and my 26 year old brother lol , you guys may be shocked but i was getting quotes well over 3.5k on price comparison (i dont actually use these only to get an idea)

Spoke to the dude in GSR on facebook, said in the summer time they can map the mk1 16v ecu no problem .

Ming

ycming said:

Spoke to the dude in GSR on facebook, said in the summer time they can map the mk1 16v ecu no problem .

Ming

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Dunno who is doing GSR at the moment, but it used to be Peter's favourite ECU. Hell of a trip from Glasgow though if they/it hasn't moved!

am i right in thinking that the newer models have a canbus system can it be run without the cabin ecu?

yep the mk2 has canbus

fingers99 said:

Dunno who is doing GSR at the moment, but it used to be Peter's favourite ECU. Hell of a trip from Glasgow though if they/it hasn't moved!

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Yeah that be fine. IS hard to find someone that know these ECU to remap! In fact hard to find anyone that would create a map for it!

I think is him ...

Ming

But can it run without canbus? Without it plugged into the cabin loom i may get faults on the ecu but will it prevent it running sweet