Styling Light Conversions

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hey,
im pi$$ed off cos i got to within 4 lines of writing this post then i accidentally closed the window :cry: so here i am starting from the beginning.

my headlights are about as much use as a chocolate teapot at the minute. so with a little help from the "considerate" foreign drivers at work i have managed to aquire 4 projector h/light units and a bucket load of LED rear light units which i plan to utilise the LEDs out of off of off :lol: and also a couple of sunvisors (60%+ tinted transparent plastic)

please excuse me whilst the hilarity for you lot ensues

2 of said projector lamp units have a plate in which gives the required beam pattern of dipped h/lights
2 of said projector lamp units have no plate in which hopefully will give a sufficient high beam
the plan is to set these up, dipped on the outer, high on the inner. behind said tinted plastic in place of the original h/light unit. i dont think much of the original headlight will be left altho i dont know yet. there will be some kind of LED sidelight arrangement too ill probably try to incorperate it into the projector lamp units so that there is a clean white LED glow emanating from them when on sidelights.

rear lights will be a full LED conversion with a bit of jiggery pokery.
first off i want 2 reverse and 2 fog lights on the rear (due to the swap to LEDs i dont think i will be able to get the amount of light from one reverse light. then to balance it i want to install a second fog light.) my plan is to make a set of lenses from said tinted plastic and use the existing housings to provide mounting points for the clusters ill have the indicator and stop/tail in their current positions i will do away with the reflectors (probably placing 2 strips in the rear bumper trim) and have the fogs here then the inner "cells" will be the reverse lights.
now the tail lights im a little torn with. do i have tails in their original position AND my proposed fog position (this would mean i would have a double width tail/stop illumination and with the fogs lights on the tail/stop would iluminate as standard) OR do i leave it and just have tail/stop in their current position?

i did this conversion on my celica and this is what i want to do with the cinq but with LEDs
http://www.celica-club.co.uk/wiki/index.php/JDM_Rear_Light_Conversion

ALSO

i think it is the new BMW 7 series (could be wrong) that has a little trick with its brake lights.
for the first half second? they flash rapidly to grab your attention then stay lit as normal brake lights do. if anyone is in electronics, is this easy enough to do? im handy with a soldering iron and know wiring/component diagrams but i dont know what i need to achieve this any help is much appreciated.

right thats me done and with out pressing the red cross by accident for a second time :rolleyes:

thoughts, replies, abuse and well wishes on a post(card) please!
 
the orange cinq that had prelude lights IIRC said it was a pig of a job to modify the whole light system

So it probably isnt as easy as it sounds

Interested to see the outcome, if any at all
 
i forgot it was alainas, i was referring more to the orange cinq with the twin headlights it was on ebay recently.


Why i said prelude lights i dont know :p
 
prepare yourselves for this brain storm

ok had a bit of a dig yesterday and today and the flashing brake lights can be done with an ME556 IC Chip BUT its illegal, well maybe not illegal but Mr. VOSA would promptly fail me for the mod because from the information i can gather it has to be a static light for the brakes :eek:

now for the head lights i cant see any issues with these.. at least from a legal/MOT point of view. from what i can make out theres no issues with tinted lens' and no limit to how bright i could go! HIDs are a no no as i cant be arsed to install self leveling equipment. i cant find ANYTHING stating the legality of running 55w+ bulbs for dip beam and 60w+ for main beam. there is documentation stating that the beam pattern and aim has to be correct and the dipped or main beams have to be a "matching pair" in brightness and colour. i do know that HGV run 70w but this is with a 24v electrics system. am i correct in thinking that if a 24v system is pulling 70w then a 12v system would have to pull 140w to achieve the same brightness?

can anyone clarify the legality of 55/60w+ bulbs and the reasons behind it?

id be going for this kind of clear lens but my plan, as i want to use the tinted plastic, is to not be able to see the projector units themselves. i think my 60%+ estimate of the tint was a little adventurous it seems more of a 40%-50% tint but still dark enough to hide the units when looking at them :)

another thought i had was to incorperate the front indicator units into my proposed headlight lens and have LEDs their too

i am also fighting with my brain as to weather or not to heavily diffuse the LEDs so that it gives a softer more uniform look to the units or to leave them "as is" and have the intensity of the LED itself...

Discuss ;)
 
youd be best of going to your local MOT staion and discussing with a tester.

Instead of using tinted glass, why not use the stock lens and use tint spray on it? or was that the idea and i missed it?

OP can't use the standard lens as it will scatter the beams all over the place, it is a lense after all.

Part of the problem with covering the projectors is their depth.You may need to mofify the original mounts to get the projectors far enough back into the body of the car to get the covers flush.

My projectors sit proud of the bonnet edge.

https://www.fiatforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=71391&d=1259926078

Cheers

SPD
 
the projector units i have consists of a lens a front casing and a back casing... they are litterally just the units theres no adjustment mechanism/protecting glass intergrated into them like yours SPD. my plan is to mount them on a plate then modifly the existing headlight casing to accomodate the plate then rig up an adjusting mechanism of some sort. i dont know what yet and dont think i will know untill i start making them

my plan is to mould the outer surface of the original h/light glass then mould the tinted plastic i have into this. thus creating a "clear lens" like THIS but tinted

the rear lens will be moulded in the same way if i can find a suitable moulding medium, the plastic i have (as long as its what i think it is) melts at 270*C and none of the usual suspects (fiberglass or filler) will be able to handle this temperature.

the legality of all this isnt at all clear. the way i understand it is that they all have to be BSAU/E marked... my problem is they wont be as its a custom build... but all the parts being used, apart from the tinted plastic, are all from BSAU/E marked equipment.
im not too sure on who would ultimately uphold the legislation. if the police pulled me for the headlights, for instance, then the worst they could do is PG9 (or is it PG10) my car, so therefore it would get taken to the nearest MOT test station and the headlights would be checked. the mot test only looks at colour, operation and pattern, so therefore if the MOT guy says its ok then thats old bill off your back BUT the units wont be BSAU/E marked, even tho they originally came out of marked equipment.
:confused::confused::confused:

the situation would be the same for the rear lights!
 
well after doing a little research (i.e. looking at the plastic i have for the lens) ive found out it wasnt PET its PMMA which, for those of you who dont know, is perspex (or as Mad Mike keeps reminding people Plexiglas)

good news that is PET melts around 260-270*C and would have been mega hard to find a molding medium that could withstand such heat. Perspex on the other hand melts at 130-140*C :) at this temperature "fiberglass" is ideal i can leave it in the oven and not worry about tainting my next cauliflower cheese bake ;)
 

Aren't they usually flashing brake lights only if the ABS has been activated (or, like new 500s rapidly flashing hazard lights)?

Problem with indicators integrated into the main headlamp unit is they are harder to see from further away with the lights on, at least I find this to be the case with the majority of modern cars with these type of lights (so, this might make it harder to get custom units approved). Maybe use the whole area for the dip/full/parking lights and move the indicators down into the bumper?

Also - do those Polish custom units use the standard cover but with the Fresnel lens removed (buffed away with abrasive material and polished?) There still seems to be something in the corners (looks like a bit of the lens and some approval text/stamps?)
 
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i dont know about the brake lights but after reading mot requirements for the uk i found that they have to be static so tbh its out of the window lol

the hazzard thing you speak of isnt when the ABS is activated its when a certain decelleration is reached some manufacturers have the ECU throw the hazzards on... im not too interested in that either :)

i dont mean incorperating the ind. into the headlight area i mean extending the custom lens so that i could do away with the indicator units all together and just have LEDs behind that portion of it :)

those crazy polish guys know how to polish... looking at it again i can see what you mean it does seem like thats what they have done but im not prepared to do it hehe

i think i know how im going to have my adjuster rig set up now though
im going to try to get hold of 2 scrap h/light units with knackered glass/reflectors/adjusters/casings i will strip them and cut our the "bowl" portion of the reflectors then fabricate a plate to mount my projector units and then weld the plate to the remaining "square hoop" of the reflector then modify the crappy fiat adjusters using a long bolt and a few screws so that it acts on the plate im assuming i will have to cut out a large portion of the h/light casing but i should be able to leave the top, bottom and side portions untouched thats the adjuster mechanism sorted no need for clever engineering type work just modification and strengthening of whats already there!

does anyone have a set of knackered h/lights that they can donate?
 
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