We have ourselves a mutant Seicento!

I'll have a ganda tomorrow for you as i have the steelies sittin in my back garden, still wrapped in original tread (well... 2 of them are).

Thanks

gp3000000 said:

I bet fingers99's 1108 S had 155/65R13s on. Just a little theory

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165s, I think. Have one lying around somewhere. Of course, it doesn't have them anymore!

Manufacturers tyre data for Seicento.

899-S-SX-Citymatic:
145/70 R 13 71H (For town use only in Poland).
155/65 R 13 73T (Steel rims).
165/55 R 13 70H (Alloys).

1108; Sporting:
155/65 R 13 73T (Steel rims).
165/55 R 13 70H (Alloys).
175/50 R 14 74H (Alloys).

I know that's what it says, but I had 165/55R13 on steel rims.

gp3000000 said:

I know that's what it says, but I had 165/55R13 on steel rims.

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My 2003 Polish Mpi 1100 came with 145/70 on it which is listed as being wrong...???
As for wet and dry gearbox's..
Fiat probably fitted wet ones to some models just to get rid of their stock of them.

cc1 said:

As for wet and dry gearbox's..
Fiat probably fitted wet ones to some models just to get rid of their stock of them.

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May well be right. Earlier I speculated that the wet 1108 box was 899 based (but with a different bellhousing).

beecon said:

We have ourselves a mutant Seicento!

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Yea a nice turtle paint job and a 1200 turbo really be a wolve in sheeps clothing.

But it is fingers suggestion that seems most resonable that they are operating a variant of JIT(just in time) parts procurement, JFI i.e. dont bother Just Fit It.

And my box took over 2 litres...

The plot thickens...

After having a look at some Seicentos for sale recently (not just for this, I'm trying to get another decent one!), I have discovered some things...

The non-sportings that have sporting gearboxes are not uncommon, it SEEMS most after 51 had them, the ones that are like this also have clear side repeators, and 165/55 13 tyres

The SXs that don't have sporting gearboxes are made in 51 plate or before, have orange side repeators (not front indicators) and have 155/65 13 tyres.

I don't know if the pattern is the same for S trim level Seicentos 'cos I've only been looking at SXs

Fingers99, your S have orange or clear side repeators?

yes but no but yes.

I would have thought that most pre 51 Sei SXs will be 899s not 1108.

Cheers

SPD

Mine is 2002, 1108 engine, clear repeaters, but originally fat wheels and wet shafts.

Now has very fat wheels (well, very fat tyres) and dry shafts.

I was referring to only differences between MPI Sei SXs, but yes I understand what you mean as in pre-2000 Seis S and SXs have 899 engines.

Forgive my ignorance... does 'wet shaft' mean that the car's driveshafts are bathed in oil? I thought all centos had wet shafts. How can I tell if my 52 plate, MPI, clear side repeaters S has a 'wet' or 'dry' shafts?

A wet shaft means that the inner drive shaft universal joint shares its lube with the gear box.

So if a inner gaiter 'goes' the universal might survive but the gear box probably dies, - in the 1st quarter mile, after it gets to a low level. Don't rely on the 1/4 mile, survival, it will be damaged before then...

Noel

beecon said:

Forgive my ignorance... does 'wet shaft' mean that the car's driveshafts are bathed in oil? I thought all centos had wet shafts. How can I tell if my 52 plate, MPI, clear side repeaters S has a 'wet' or 'dry' shafts?

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If it's a Sporting, it'll be dry. Otherwise, check whether the inner driveshaft boots go straight into the diff (wet) or into black metal tube (dry) first.

If yours is wet, it's likely not to have a reverse detente.

Pep0 said:

"The thrust bearing may not last too long and you will then get back to the previous box performance."

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Well, here I am in September, and the problem is now worse than before I changed the gearbox oil. No smooth change possible in any gear. First is terrible. Fifth is nearly impossible if I've accelerated a long way in fourth. 3rd and 4th won't engage without a hard push. Now I just have to find a decent clutch to go in it. I'm assuming a FIAT replacement part is the best option? As I remember someone saying on another thread that there's no advantage in a perfomance clutch except for seriously tuned engines.

Rallycinq said on another thread clutch kits are really cheap - that's not the message I'm getting from these sites!

http://www.aepdirect.com/index.php?option=shop&page=shop.product_details&category_id=1182&product_id=4440

And this website seems to list a different clutch kit for models made after March 2002 - Could that be because Fiat started fitting a different box around that time I wonder?

http://www.carparts-direct.co.uk/clutches_detail.cfm

My car was made either in Jan 02 or Feb 02. So which clutch do I need?

AFAIK, the clutches are indentical. Try eBay, Fluffy or Shop4Parts.

Ok thanks.

hi ,just remember if you drop the gearbox oil out dont go by the haines manuel to refil if replacing ,it states that the gearbox holds 2.4 ltrs ,dont think so,iv a 1108 sei abarth,more like 1.6ltrs

So what's best gear oil to use and how much will it take