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I was wondering if anyone could tell me the differences between a 2001 1.1 engine from a Michael Schumacher Sporting and a 1.1 engine from a 2003 Sporting.

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Re: Engine Differences

I think the answer is

None

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It's the same engine mate
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Re: Engine Differences

Thanks for the quick replys guys, I had thought they were the same aswell, but I recently bought an engine from a 2003 Sei Sporting but the inlet and exhaust manifolds are different
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Re: Engine Differences

then it can't be from a 2003 (or a Sporting)

got any pictures of it?

edit; is the head the same. or does it differ slightly (or massively) if it is similar but lacks, say, a cam phase sensor (sticks up near the timing belt), and the inlet manifold is made of metal then you have an SPI (aka pre 2000/1) Sei Sporting engine
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I don't have any photographs at the minute. Basically I have a 2001 MS and the head went in it and cant be repaired, so I ordered a 2003 Sei Sporting engine and the mechanic tells me that it is a completely different engine, the bolts for the exhaust and inlet manifolds don't line up and the head of this engine is completely different to my origional.
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send the engine back, there is no way it is the right one. if nothing lines up is totally different then it must be 899cc engine. (pre 2000/1 S/SX)
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Re: Engine Differences

whats the enigne code on the little ledge on the block, where the water rail comes out of the pump housing? It may be a bit rust, so will need cleaning up a bit.

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Re: Engine Differences

If it was just the old head was damaged then you only needed a replacement head from a breaker.

You might have needed to grind the crank case interface flat and/or salve any erosion. But if the bottom end was good I'd a wanted to retain it - as engines from breakers can be past their best before date. If their auto was rolled, at speed it wont have done the engine any good

A head from a breaker might have needed a grind to flatten it, and the valves ground and tappets adjusted, but that is a simple job.

It would have taken me a couple of hours to replace a head a weekend to replace an engine. I'm rather slow and methodical.

The replacement engine needs to have the same part number prefix unless you are into radical tuning like fitting a larger engine for torque, larger throttle body etc...

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Re: Engine Differences

Being a Schumacher, I would have thought that you'd want to keep the matching numbers.

Buying a six or seven year old engine from a scrappy ain't the way to go.

Get a good head, can be from an MPi Punto too.

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Re: Engine Differences

Hi guys

Thanks for all the help and advice, turns out I got an SPI engine by mistake but I managed to get an MPI one which arrived today so should have the car up and running again soon.

Quote Originally Posted by rallycinq View Post
Being a Schumacher, I would have thought that you'd want to keep the matching numbers.
I did originally want to keep the matching numbers but I found it hard to get a head on its own that was in good condition, so I chose just to get another engine. I am going to keep the cars original base and I will look for a head which I will put on eventually and put back into the car.

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PS. If anyone needs an SPI engine make me an offer, I have 1 going spare lol
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so you are needing a SPI head??

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so you are needing a SPI head??

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I needed a head for an MPI to go on the cars original engine but I found that most scrappies only wanted to sell the engine as a whole unit so decided the best thing to do is buy the whole engine, but I accidentally got an SPI engine last week which is no use to me. But today my MPI engine arrived so i am going to put it into the car and take the origional engine out and put the new one in to get the car back on the road.

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Re: Engine Differences

Your current engine is a known quantity.

If it was me, i'd remove the mpi head of the breakers engine. Get it skimmed, pressure tested, and the vlaves and seats redone. Tha'll only cost 30-40 and then you know the head is a+.

Then it's only a few hours work to swap the head over

The breakers engine may have all kinds of problems, and you'll be cursing if you swap it all over and its a heap of junk

If you were goning for a full engine swap, it would have been a perfect time to fit a punto 75 engine instead. Pretty easy job, and 21 horsies more to play with


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