General The Joy of 'my nearside wing embracing her rear wheel arch'

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General The Joy of 'my nearside wing embracing her rear wheel arch'

Simocento

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I duno about everyone else.....but driving to work in the snow for me, has been a little challenging.
This morning spotting a clear road from my flat, I assumed the worst was over. :cool: So I took the quicker residential route to work avoiding the longer main road route.
But no, my plan failed! 2 roads in and I came across a stretch of snow and ice laden road - it was not looking good :eek:
kicking myself for not going the long way I persevered at a 15mph crawl praying the car would keep grip.:confused:
Up ahead approaches a car , quite far over, but then so am I due to parked cars. So I start to turn the car slowly left to give us both some space, the other car doing the opposite.....all great I thought.....until I started to straighten up...and I could not (n)..and well that was that - I just started gliding towards the left with no control, no nothing - I was headed for a parked car with the owner literally about to get in it. Our eyes met with shocked faces as we performed some kind of slow motion ballet ending in my nearside wing embracing her rear wheel arch - it could have almost been sexual but we were both screaming for the wrong reasons! :eek: All I could think of was 'bye bye no-claims, bye bye any money I have' :cry:

Anyway....as it happens her car was completely unscathed (Ford KA) she shrugged and uttered "it's not even my car it's a courtesy one - don't worry about it"
(y) Excellent I thought, and was blessed with a new found euphoria that lasted all the way to work....and until I parked up and thought....hang on, maybe I should have a look at my car!

As it happens it's was not bad, but still annoying and a little upsetting

So anyway, aside from sharing my morning with you I thought I would ask peoples opinions on how to best fix the following, this was the damage done:

  • 1 inch scratch, top of the wheel arch, but only gone to the undercoat.
  • Fist size, but not deep dent in the middle of the wing above the wheel arch. It's not easy to see so its quite a soft dent.
  • The edging that wraps under the wheel arch (where it meets the plastic liner) is slightly bowed out, with a little paint flake.
That seems to be it. My initial thoughts are to try and get behind it and push the dent out, but I don't want to make things worse over something that seems quite minimal.

So how's driving in the snow been for you?

/Simo(n)cento
 
Lots of undemanded yaw, but did not hit anything.

The power assistance is horrible, no feel.

Noel
 
Coming home the other day, my road is a one lane (not one way unfortunately) with a couple of parking areas along it which allow for passing. Came to turn into my drive and nothing happened steering wheel was completely loose could put it full lock either way. Tried braking that did nothing, eventually it must have hit better road because it got grip again and all was well. Luckily as I say my road is tiny so there were no other cars and as it was during the day the parking bits were empty (everone at work). And I was being sensible due to the conditions and only doing 5-10mph.

My front wing is already dented, previous owner told me he lost control going down a hill in ice and must have hit something. Purely superficial dent. Will probably sort it out eventually, I have looked and TBH it's probably cheaper for me to get a new wing as the dent probably won't just push out.

EDIT: Luckily you obviously hit the right person, and besides it's only a ka nowt special (or good) :D
 
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The power assistance is horrible, no feel.

Noel


Thats why i removed mine :D :devil:

Not had issues actually driving. Good grip, and still maintained a more aggressive driving style, albeit slower than normal.

Pushed it to the limits a few times when there was nobody about and no chance of hitting anything other than a ditch, just to see how it behaved.

Kristian
 
The power assistance is horrible, no feel.
If you have no feel then there's something wrong, if you've not got enough weight in the steering to understand the information through the wheel then pull the fuse.
 
I certainly got more feel without the PAS.

The PAS column and some non-PAS columns are collapse, so it slides up inside itself. Safety feature I guess.

Some non-PAS columns are one solid rod (apart from the linkages of course) and the feedback through this is much greater than a car with PAS (fuse removed or not).

Kristian
 
Hi thanks had not thought of pulling the fuse, for snow or ice.

No feel at all, got the yaw on trailing throttle, typical FWD syndrome, had it before with non power assisted autos. You are dependent on getting some adhesion (back) or putting down some power or you have a spin.

Rear wheel drive is easier, on trailing threttle.

Only packed snow not black ice.

Works car park was black ice, difficult to walk across.

Noel
 
I drive with the PAS fuse pulled all the time on the N/A, neither my self or my wife have any problems with the steering weight. On the turbo I have extremely light assistance, I tried without but the geometry makes it simply to heavy at times.

As an analogy driving with PAS turned on is like trying to listen to someone at a club, there's so much noise about it's hard to hear but all the information is there. Driving without the PAS on is like listening in a quiet room, it's the same information just so much easier to hear.
 
As an analogy driving with PAS turned on is like trying to listen to someone at a club, there's so much noise about it's hard to hear but all the information is there. Driving without the PAS on is like listening in a quiet room, it's the same information just so much easier to hear.

I understand your quote above, but there is no feed back in my sei, the Mx-5 (sorry) provides superb feedback. It is rear wheel drive so the front bits have less mass and unspung weight, and all the power steering is removed above 10mph, i.e. it is speed sensitive.

FWD is more difficult to drive on trailing throttle on ice even without power steering, the signal to noise ratio quoted above. And it is like only having brakes on front wheels, like autos from the past.

The reason I was on trailing throttle was brakes seemed even more inaspicious, I detected it was going to be too slippy too late, bad observation - I know. The road had not beed salted.

Noel
 
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Is this a completely standard car, not lowered? The reason I ask is because as you lower the car you increase the caster and neg camber angles, this will make the steering heaver & more positive. This is the reason I really need PAS in the turbo, it's lowered something in the area of 110mm at the front.
 
Is this a completely standard car, not lowered?

Yes completely standard (height musta settled a bit though) on origional Al rims (scuffed a bit) and even tyres (type), 30PSI, minor tools and things in tailgate area - steering light, no feedback. Completely dependent on visual appreciation, and yaw detector.

Noel
 
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Yes I live in suburbia neither Sweden nor Scotland, but everyone else down here will have been on summer tyres only in far distant artic, do people change to knobblies and studs... Like north of Carlisle

They were the OEM as I suggested It summer types, not wonderful in wet either, fronts are 5mm rear about 6mm depth.

The snow was hard packed and non flaky, not black ice but knobblies would not have made much difference, needed studs to dig in...

Frequently in Scotland though, never bother with knobblies, or vests.

Noel
P.S. I'd a expected an earthy comment about keeping Simo's tow bar in the tail gate etc.
 
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Yes I live in suburbia neither Sweden nor Scotland, but everyone else down here will have been on summer tyres only in far distant artic, do people change to knobblies and studs... Like north of Carlisle

They were the OEM as I suggested It summer types, not wonderful in wet either, fronts are 5mm rear about 6mm depth.

Frequently in Scotland though, never bother with knobblies, or vests.

Noel

You don't need to be in Scotland. Summer tyres don't work below 7 degrees C.

They don't need to be knobblies.

Cheers

SPD
 
The OEM ones are not good in wet at 15C.

Noel
 
Deep and crisp and even, this am.

Like skid pan

Noel
 
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