Technical Quick more-or-less Direct Replacement Engines for Cinq Sporting

[benjiman46]

Hi Everyone. I want an half quick engine to put in my cinq. But I don't really want to be chopping the front end of the car to pieces or spaceframing the front end or owt daft lol even though I've thought about a ZX-9R Ninja engine which my mates got Anyway I decided not to go down that route coz it's just silly, so I was looking at either, Punto 75 8v engine, Punto Sporting 16v engine, or an Uno or Punto Turbo engine.

Please only say what will fit if you actually know. I've heard punto turbo lumps foul the bonnet when you try to close it and that uno turbo lumps fit straight in, but people say OOOO DONT FIT A TURBO ENGINE IT WONT HANDLE!!! Well my philosophy is that ANY car that weighs less than 1200kg with a turbo engine is going to understeer like a bitch anyway so Im not really bothered it'll be cool lol

Please help everyone!!! Cheers lads and lasses

:slayer:

 

[craigb244]

any 1.2 will fit without any mods
dont sure where you heard teh turbo engines are a drop in cos im 99.9% sure its hell of a lot of work (hence the reason people do a custom fit on the standard engines)

also how are you going to run the said engine?

 

[benjiman46]

any 1.2 will fit without any mods
dont sure where you heard teh turbo engines are a drop in cos im 99.9% sure its hell of a lot of work (hence the reason people do a custom fit on the standard engines)

also how are you going to run the said engine?

Well Im planning on just swapping the entire loom, engine and box over. Unless you have any advice that makes it easier lol

 

[craigb244]

whole punto 60 engine. or with a little work punto 75 (see my blog) keep the cinq rear box.

if you fit a box from another car you will have drive shaft troubles AND the gear ratios will be all over the place. (car will have no top end)

 

[StoneNewt]

Well from a bit of research I think you'll find that the UT & PGT engines don't physically fit into the engine bay without a fair amount of welding.

Best bet is a superfire engine - the latter 1.2 8v or either of the 16v found in Puntos/Panda/500/etc. Forget about the loom just go for an aftermarket ECU it will make life easier for you. As for power, I'm pushing out around 180bhp from a 1247cc 8v superfire.

Beyond that read the FAQs and search the forum

 

[AppleSei]

PGT is too tall of an engine but you can do it

UT engine is getting old now.

a really sorted 1.2 conversion or a 1.4 conversion using the GP engine would keep up with the 2 above

See the faq's for the engine conversions, also use the search facility for threads including foxyemz 1.4 conversion which is a recent thread.

No engine replacement is 'straight forward'

 

[fingers99]

Only absolute direct swaps are Punto 55 and SPI Seicento. Otherwise, the other FIRE lumps are relatively easy fits. (Punto 60, 75 etc.)

Uno Turbo, Punto GT, etc. are an aweful lot of work (lots of fabrication and handling issues).

If I were fitting a non FIRE engine, I'd subframe it and fit something a bit better than the Uno Tub or Punto GT mill.

How are your welding skills?

 

[allanhelen]

Well if you have a sporting, why not just swop a few engine bits and make it faster with the current engine? what do you want? how much do you want to spend? how pis*ed are you right now?

You can do what the fcuk you want with these cars if you have the skill and money and if you had read the FAQ's and searched you should already know that

 

[benjiman46]

Well If i get a punto sporting engine, 1242cc 16 valve, and the loom, what will I need to do? And can I use the standard gear box?

 

[fingers99]

See kripit's thread.

 

[allanhelen]

Std Gear bad is good for lots of power

But again what do you want from the car as there may be easier alternatives? to reach your goal

 

[randomizered]

Read the FAQ's, Guides, Use the Search, Look at the links in my sig, then repeat 5x. After that, come back with any questions

 

[benjiman46]

Right I've decided! Im getting a 1.2 8v Punto 60 Engine, Putting a punto 75 Cam and bottom half of throttle body (Needs boring out with a die grinder) on there, then I've got one of them chip 2 race tuning chips to go on there aswell. Not sure what that will do but then again it only cost £40 lol what sort of power can I expect to get from the 75 cam and TB on the 1.2 lump?

Cheers everyone! :slayer:

 

[ycming]

hmm.. why not use the punto 75 block, cinq sporting head and the 75 cam

Heard the 75 block is stronger and better engineer than the 60 block!

Ming

 

[fingers99]

hmm.. why not use the punto 75 block, cinq sporting head and the 75 cam

Heard the 75 block is stronger and better engineer than the 60 block!

I recon it's the same bottom end and someone was trying to sell you one!

Er, maybe 70bhp?

Don't forget you'll need to re-shim the head if you pop a 75 cam in.

 

[benjiman46]

Oh yeah i know im a mechanic and i've got a mate that owns an engineering firm in worksop so im sorted

 

[benjiman46]

Yeah I know its definately the same bottom end. Its obviously the MPI that gives it that extra 15bhp over the SPI.

Anyway back to the origional question. What gearbox is best used in this sort of conversion, the punto box or a cinq box? Will my drive-shafts fit in a punto box? Cheers

 

[fingers99]

Cinq box is probably best unless you can find a Punto 6 speed with higher gearing. You can swap the whojits that take the driveshafts around.

 

[benjiman46]

Right gotchya. I think Ill use the cinq box then. Close ratio and more fun than a six speed coz ur forever changin gear in a 6 speed lol

 

[Brooky]

then I've got one of them chip 2 race tuning chips to go on there aswell. Not sure what that will do but then again it only cost £40 lol what sort of power can I expect to get from the 75 cam and TB on the 1.2 lump?

Probs not much power with that chip