hey is it illeagal to remove the front number plate ? , seeing i have seen it removed on a couple off cars around by me , i thought i would ask here first 
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yeh unfortunatly. a lad i know just got fined for his not being visible. was on the bonnet rather than bumper. so i guess u need it
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daft isnt it bike don't hav ta
Bikes used to have them but they stood upright off the front mudguard, and tended to slice people open in accidents.
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think out side the box black sun strip with legal sized stick on number plate ,
still visable .... obviously on the windscreen,
considdering it on both front and backon my sei keeps the bumpers smoothness
still visable .... obviously on the windscreen,
considdering it on both front and backon my sei keeps the bumpers smoothness
I think thats illegal too, not sure tho :chin:
Stick on number plates are now illegal.
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What are all those E Type Jaguars going to do now then?
Not lose the one they have.
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cant stick your registration on your rear window either beacuse it needs to be reflective and illuminated. unless u fitted lights in your spoiler and made it reflective. that would be cool .
also, is there a hight restriction on a registration plate, just wondering with them all being near to the floor.
.also, is there a hight restriction on a registration plate, just wondering with them all being near to the floor.
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cant stick your registration on your rear window either beacuse it needs to be reflective and illuminated. unless u fitted lights in your spoiler and made it reflective. that would be cool
also, is there a hight restriction on a registration plate, just wondering with them all being near to the floor.
buses have them at the top on some occasions but i dont think that applies to cars
yes you cant have them 6ftx6ft
think them being low to floor may have something to do with how the car is lowered
a couple of facts for you
What makes a number plate illegal? What are the DVLA rules for legal number plates?
Some general stuff about number plates...
The basic rules for number plates
Number plates fitted after 1st September 2001
Number plates fitted before 1st September 2001
Traditional number plates
Motorcycle and Tricycle number plates
Euro (and other flags) on number plates
Number plate font
What you must not do with your number plate
What's the British Standard for number plates?
First, some general stuff about number plates.....
Your number plates should be made up by a manufacturer who is registered on the DVLA's Register of Number Plate Suppliers (RNPS). They will ask you for your documents (V5 logbook, and personal ID), as proof that you are entitled to use the registration.
If you have just had a private registration number assigned to your vehicle, you won't receive your new registration document straightaway. In which case, you will be given a document authorising you to have the number plates made up.
The DVLA rules for number plates are very specific. Number plates must fit with the British Standard, including the typeface, the size, and colouring. There are alternatives for motorcycles, tricycles and traditional (black and white) plates.
Reputable number plate manufacturers will be aware of these regulations.
VEHICLE REGISTRATION MARKS must be displayed in accordance with The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001 (obtainable from HMSO). See http://www.opsi.gov.uk/
The basic rules for number plates:
You must display a number plate on the front and rear of your vehicle
Letters should be black on a white plate at the front
Letters should be black on a yellow plate at the rear
The background surface should be reflex-reflecting, but not the letters
Number plates should meet the British Standard
Rules on character dimensions differ slightly depending on whether your plates were fitted before or after 1st September 2001. Details are below.
Rules on character dimensions differ for traditional 'black and white' plates, which may be fitted on vehicles manufactured before 1st January 1973.
Number plates fitted after 1st September 2001
Any number plate made up after 1st September 2001 must meet the dimensions as below:
Character Height 79 mm
Character Width (except the figure 1 or letter I) 50 mm
Character stroke 14 mm
Space between characters 11 mm
Space between groups 33 mm
Top, bottom, and side margins (minimum) 11 mm
Space between vertical lines 19 mm
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Number plates fitted before 1st September 2001
If you fitted a number plate before 1st September 2001, they must meet the dimensions in one of the two groups below:
Group 1 Group 2
Character height 89 mm 79 mm
Character width (except the figure 1 or letter I) 64 mm 57 mm
Character stroke 16 mm 14 mm
Space between characters 13 mm 11 mm
Space between groups 38 mm 33 mm
Top, bottom and side margins (minimum) 13 mm 11 mm
Space between vertical lines 19 mm 9 mm
[Back to top]
Traditional number plates for vehicles manufactured before 1st January 1973
Vehicles manufactured before 1st January 1973 are allowed to display traditional style 'black and white' plates i.e. white, silver, or grey characters on a black plate.
The characters size must meet the dimensions in one of the two groups below:
Group 1 Group 2
Character height 89 mm 79 mm
Character width (except the figure 1 or letter I) 64 mm 57 mm
Character stroke 16 mm 14 mm
Space between characters 13 mm 11 mm
Space between groups 38 mm 33 mm
Top and bottom margins 13 mm 11 mm
Side margin 25 mm 11 mm
[Back to top]
DVLA Rules for Motorcycle and Tricycle number plates
All motorcycles and tricycles must display a number plate at the rear of the vehicle. Motorcycles and tricycles registered before 1st September 2001 may display a number plate at the front of the vehicle but are not required to.
If you have a two or three wheeled motorcycle or tricycle that has a body type of a four-wheeled vehicle, you MUST display a number plate at the front and back of the vehicle.
Motorcycles registered on or after 1st September 2001 must display a two-line number plate. Motorcycles registered before 1st September 2001 may display a three-line number plate.
One-line number plates are illegal, regardless of the date of registration.
Here are the character sizes:
Character Height 64 mm
Character Width (except the figure 1 or letter I) 44 mm
Character stroke 10 mm
Space between characters 10 mm
Space between groups 30 mm
Top, bottom, and side margins (minimum) 11 mm
Space between vertical lines 13 mm
[Back to top]
Euro (and other flags) on number plates
Since 1st September 2001 you have been able to choose to display a Euro flag, for vehicles registered in the UK. The Euro-plate is a number plate that has the symbol of the European Union (a circle of 12 stars on a blue background) with the national identification letters of the member states below it (for example GB). This symbol is located on the far left-hand side of the number plate.
Vehicles displaying this Euro symbol on the number plate no longer have to use the traditional oval shaped national identifier (GB) sticker when travelling within the European Union. All vehicles registered in England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales have, by international convention, the distinguishing sign GB.
On 28 December 2001, the Government announced the intention to permit the display of national flags and national identifiers on vehicle number plates. The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001 are in the process of being amended. They will provide for the voluntary display of the Union flag, Scottish Saltire, Cross of St George and Red Dragon. Football team crests etc. are not allowed.
[Back to top]
Number plate font
All number plates made after 31st August 2001 must display the mandatory font. Number plates made prior to this date must be substantially the same.
Examples of the font can be found here:
Stylised letters (or fixing bolts which alter the appearance of the letters) are not allowed.
[Back to top]
What you must not do with your number plate...
The law states that:
You must not alter, rearrange or misrepresent the letters or numbers
Characters must not be moved from one group to the other (e.g. A242 ABC must not be displayed as A242A BC).
That means:
No stylised letters
Don't move the space around
Don't misrepresent letters / numbers using screws or fixings
Don't misrepresent letters / numbers using squashed or distorted letters
No images other than the approved flags (no football emblems, etc)
Full details of the requirements are included in The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001
[Back to top]
What's the British Standard for number plates?
The British Standard sets out the physical characteristics of the number plate. This includes visibility, strength and reflectivity.
The British Standard also requires each number plate to be permanently and legibly marked with the following information:
The British Standard number (currently BS AU 145d)
The name, trademark or other means of identification of the manufacturer or component supplier (The company that made the plate)
Name and postcode of the supplying outlet.
Other options:
A non-reflective border
Euro-symbol with national identification letters
[Back to top]
Information source: Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA)
Disclaimer
This information is provided for your guidance only. It is not intended to be a definitive account of the regulations regarding the Display of Registration Marks.
The Plate Market Ltd will not be held responsible for any omissions or errors in the above information.
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Author Discussion
m33ufo
Original Poster
327 posts
40 months
[report] Thursday 11th May 2006
Hi guys,
I would like to fit one of the stick on number plates to the front of my T350 in place of the nasty original plate fixed my the obligatory double sided tape - looks nasty!
I've seen a few TVR's with the type I plate I would like and was hoping someone could point me in the right direction. I don't think my usual supplier, Fancy Plates, produce this type of plate. My preference would be silver on black
Cheers
Mark
J111
2,351 posts
24 months
[report] Friday 12th May 2006
www.craigsplates.co.uk/order/order.php
I've used them for a non-standard size and was pleased with the service.
If you select 'Show Plates' in option 2, this will give you the option of self adhesive plates. Since you're buying them for show you won't have to go through any DVLA ID rubbish. Be aware that they are illegal for road use.
i cant find any proof ie DVLA source to stipulate that u cant use stick on plates
if any one could add to this or supply info links
cheers, marko
What makes a number plate illegal? What are the DVLA rules for legal number plates?
Some general stuff about number plates...
The basic rules for number plates
Number plates fitted after 1st September 2001
Number plates fitted before 1st September 2001
Traditional number plates
Motorcycle and Tricycle number plates
Euro (and other flags) on number plates
Number plate font
What you must not do with your number plate
What's the British Standard for number plates?
First, some general stuff about number plates.....
Your number plates should be made up by a manufacturer who is registered on the DVLA's Register of Number Plate Suppliers (RNPS). They will ask you for your documents (V5 logbook, and personal ID), as proof that you are entitled to use the registration.
If you have just had a private registration number assigned to your vehicle, you won't receive your new registration document straightaway. In which case, you will be given a document authorising you to have the number plates made up.
The DVLA rules for number plates are very specific. Number plates must fit with the British Standard, including the typeface, the size, and colouring. There are alternatives for motorcycles, tricycles and traditional (black and white) plates.
Reputable number plate manufacturers will be aware of these regulations.
VEHICLE REGISTRATION MARKS must be displayed in accordance with The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001 (obtainable from HMSO). See http://www.opsi.gov.uk/
The basic rules for number plates:
You must display a number plate on the front and rear of your vehicle
Letters should be black on a white plate at the front
Letters should be black on a yellow plate at the rear
The background surface should be reflex-reflecting, but not the letters
Number plates should meet the British Standard
Rules on character dimensions differ slightly depending on whether your plates were fitted before or after 1st September 2001. Details are below.
Rules on character dimensions differ for traditional 'black and white' plates, which may be fitted on vehicles manufactured before 1st January 1973.
Number plates fitted after 1st September 2001
Any number plate made up after 1st September 2001 must meet the dimensions as below:
Character Height 79 mm
Character Width (except the figure 1 or letter I) 50 mm
Character stroke 14 mm
Space between characters 11 mm
Space between groups 33 mm
Top, bottom, and side margins (minimum) 11 mm
Space between vertical lines 19 mm
[Back to top]
Number plates fitted before 1st September 2001
If you fitted a number plate before 1st September 2001, they must meet the dimensions in one of the two groups below:
Group 1 Group 2
Character height 89 mm 79 mm
Character width (except the figure 1 or letter I) 64 mm 57 mm
Character stroke 16 mm 14 mm
Space between characters 13 mm 11 mm
Space between groups 38 mm 33 mm
Top, bottom and side margins (minimum) 13 mm 11 mm
Space between vertical lines 19 mm 9 mm
[Back to top]
Traditional number plates for vehicles manufactured before 1st January 1973
Vehicles manufactured before 1st January 1973 are allowed to display traditional style 'black and white' plates i.e. white, silver, or grey characters on a black plate.
The characters size must meet the dimensions in one of the two groups below:
Group 1 Group 2
Character height 89 mm 79 mm
Character width (except the figure 1 or letter I) 64 mm 57 mm
Character stroke 16 mm 14 mm
Space between characters 13 mm 11 mm
Space between groups 38 mm 33 mm
Top and bottom margins 13 mm 11 mm
Side margin 25 mm 11 mm
[Back to top]
DVLA Rules for Motorcycle and Tricycle number plates
All motorcycles and tricycles must display a number plate at the rear of the vehicle. Motorcycles and tricycles registered before 1st September 2001 may display a number plate at the front of the vehicle but are not required to.
If you have a two or three wheeled motorcycle or tricycle that has a body type of a four-wheeled vehicle, you MUST display a number plate at the front and back of the vehicle.
Motorcycles registered on or after 1st September 2001 must display a two-line number plate. Motorcycles registered before 1st September 2001 may display a three-line number plate.
One-line number plates are illegal, regardless of the date of registration.
Here are the character sizes:
Character Height 64 mm
Character Width (except the figure 1 or letter I) 44 mm
Character stroke 10 mm
Space between characters 10 mm
Space between groups 30 mm
Top, bottom, and side margins (minimum) 11 mm
Space between vertical lines 13 mm
[Back to top]
Euro (and other flags) on number plates
Since 1st September 2001 you have been able to choose to display a Euro flag, for vehicles registered in the UK. The Euro-plate is a number plate that has the symbol of the European Union (a circle of 12 stars on a blue background) with the national identification letters of the member states below it (for example GB). This symbol is located on the far left-hand side of the number plate.
Vehicles displaying this Euro symbol on the number plate no longer have to use the traditional oval shaped national identifier (GB) sticker when travelling within the European Union. All vehicles registered in England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales have, by international convention, the distinguishing sign GB.
On 28 December 2001, the Government announced the intention to permit the display of national flags and national identifiers on vehicle number plates. The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001 are in the process of being amended. They will provide for the voluntary display of the Union flag, Scottish Saltire, Cross of St George and Red Dragon. Football team crests etc. are not allowed.
[Back to top]
Number plate font
All number plates made after 31st August 2001 must display the mandatory font. Number plates made prior to this date must be substantially the same.
Examples of the font can be found here:
Stylised letters (or fixing bolts which alter the appearance of the letters) are not allowed.
[Back to top]
What you must not do with your number plate...
The law states that:
You must not alter, rearrange or misrepresent the letters or numbers
Characters must not be moved from one group to the other (e.g. A242 ABC must not be displayed as A242A BC).
That means:
No stylised letters
Don't move the space around
Don't misrepresent letters / numbers using screws or fixings
Don't misrepresent letters / numbers using squashed or distorted letters
No images other than the approved flags (no football emblems, etc)
Full details of the requirements are included in The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001
[Back to top]
What's the British Standard for number plates?
The British Standard sets out the physical characteristics of the number plate. This includes visibility, strength and reflectivity.
The British Standard also requires each number plate to be permanently and legibly marked with the following information:
The British Standard number (currently BS AU 145d)
The name, trademark or other means of identification of the manufacturer or component supplier (The company that made the plate)
Name and postcode of the supplying outlet.
Other options:
A non-reflective border
Euro-symbol with national identification letters
[Back to top]
Information source: Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA)
Disclaimer
This information is provided for your guidance only. It is not intended to be a definitive account of the regulations regarding the Display of Registration Marks.
The Plate Market Ltd will not be held responsible for any omissions or errors in the above information.
a quick note from the tvr forum
Author Discussion
m33ufo
Original Poster
327 posts
40 months
[report] Thursday 11th May 2006
Hi guys,
I would like to fit one of the stick on number plates to the front of my T350 in place of the nasty original plate fixed my the obligatory double sided tape - looks nasty!
I've seen a few TVR's with the type I plate I would like and was hoping someone could point me in the right direction. I don't think my usual supplier, Fancy Plates, produce this type of plate. My preference would be silver on black
Cheers
Mark
J111
2,351 posts
24 months
[report] Friday 12th May 2006
www.craigsplates.co.uk/order/order.php
I've used them for a non-standard size and was pleased with the service.
If you select 'Show Plates' in option 2, this will give you the option of self adhesive plates. Since you're buying them for show you won't have to go through any DVLA ID rubbish. Be aware that they are illegal for road use.
i cant find any proof ie DVLA source to stipulate that u cant use stick on plates
if any one could add to this or supply info links
cheers, marko
The reason that stick on ones are no longer legal is that they don't comply with the standard, which IIRC is BS145.
Its something to do with them being able to be changed, ie one letter taken off and another applied, changing the registration mark.
Cheers
D
Its something to do with them being able to be changed, ie one letter taken off and another applied, changing the registration mark.
Cheers
D
just found this from craigsplatescom
We take numerous calls from people regarding the legalities of stick on number plates. Let's set the record straight, stick on number plates ARE NOT road legal.
From DVLA: Number plates must meet the British Standard requirements and we are not aware of any self-adhesive number plates that are able to meet these requirements
As we are all aware, there are hundreds of cars with self adhesive number plates driving around in Britain. We believe police forces would rather see a stick on legible plate than a small plate which cannot be read.
SOME Dealers (our local Mazda dealer for one) sell brand new cars WITH stick on number plates already on the car (what's that all about?) Did anyone not tell them?
When you order stick on number plates from us we use reflective materials that pass BSAU145d reflection tests. The letters used are the same size specified by DVLA, and are spaced correctly. So why ban them? In my opinion these plates were banned for one reason!
Years ago, these where sold in shops with letter kits to make your own, (trailer boards used to have them). If you could make your own number plate, it could end up with a few of the letters accidentally put in the wrong place and hence you would never get a speeding ticket Not a very smashing idea as far as DVLA could see, so they where banned - or never introduced. From memory they where never stated as legal, but prior to September 2001 were seen as acceptable.
So is it worth the risk? Well if I drove a performance car, and fitting a correct size number plate would block the air intake, I think so. I actually think they do look good, people do love or loath them, but on the right kind of car, I personally think they add a touch of class!
But here is a word of warning... I would never knock my competitors, but please don't save a pound or two by ordering the letters and reflective separate, then spend endless hours trying to get each letter on straight, then ruining it! Let us make the plate for you, this will ensure correct spacing to comply with DVLA's guidelines, and will be level. (There is nothing worse than seeing a number plate with the letters attached by someone playing pin the tail on the donkey!)
And if you are still unsure of what is best, bear this in mind....... so far this year we have sold three stick on plates to Policeman (they have the same troubles as us you know!)
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Craigsplates
Number Plates and Show Plates
spot on there rallycinq with the codes
spot on there rallycinq with the codes
I really must get a life.
Cheers
Gormless Cretin
i cant comment on that lol
