will the 6 speed internals fit into my 5 speed sporting casing?
i have found 6 speed internals from a 3000mile punto sporting, and the casing is smashed

i love novas but its time for a change

Should do..IIRC its the same gearbag type.

I think thats a hydraulic clutch innit?

Tom (AofB)

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1242cc Engine in car, not starting, boot delock soon, K+N still in garage!

NO - the 6 speed box is longer.
Matt

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OK. Im wrong...Cheers Matt!!

Tom (AofB)

95 Cinq Sporting - Rattly GrpN Catback Exhaust, <font color="black">Buckets</font id="black"> and 3pt Harnesses,Sexy VW styleé dials (that look great, but dont work!! D)), 10" Sub and 6x9's, ETech Wing. Lots of Dirt!
1242cc Engine in car, not starting, boot delock soon, K+N still in garage!

i have been told by the breakers that it is the same box? so.... if the box is longer will the sei engine bay need to be modded to house the 6 speed box?

i love novas but its time for a change

Nah... the end of the box sticks out into the wheel arch a bit - only rubs on standard wheels very slightly, which can be cured with 15mm spacers.
It is the same box - but obviously it has to be slightly longer to house the 6th gear!
Matt

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What part of the case is smashed? Is it part of the main body or the end "cap"? The end caps I could get hold of for you I reckon - if however it is the main bit then you're a bit buggerd.
Just noticed - Punto Sporting? - did they make the Sporting with a 6 speed box??? I didn't think they did and I know the 'boxes I've had ain't been from a Sporting...? *hhmmmmmm*
Matt

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i was sure the punto sporting aka the 75 ran a 6-speed.... and isnt the whole gearbox a staight swap for the cinq one?

that is wat i have been told anyway when i enquired about a 1.2 6-speed conversion!

but then again, as with most things, i could b wrong

oo - right, hang on.

6 speeders were fitted to some 55 el and elx mk1 Puntos.
Fitted to some 1.2 16v mk2 Puntos too, inc. the Sporting.
75 engine is a 1242cc 8v MPI, not used in the Punto sporting.
That was either the 1.6 8v or 1.2 16v.

Pete.

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ahhh right... so if i was to get a 1242 engine out of a punto 60, and if i can find a 6-speed box out of a 55 then could i mate the two together when puttin the engine in?

the box is from a 1.2 16v sporting (it has all the badges on anyway) and its the bell housing thats smashed

i love novas but its time for a change

Originally posted by mase_abarth
ahhh right... so if i was to get a 1242 engine out of a punto 60, and if i can find a 6-speed box out of a 55 then could i mate the two together when puttin the engine in?

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6 speeders from the 55 are like rocking horse poo, from the mk2 are more common but I'm not sure about being just a straight swap, I haven't tried it.

What you should know as well is that on standard gearing and 13" wheels, the mk1 box gives you a top speed of 93mph at 6000 revs in 6th. Mk2 box is about 96mph.

Pete.

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your joking!
my 5 speed has had 108mph indicated at 5krpm

i love novas but its time for a change

Pete - not true! I had well over an indicated 100 with the 6 speed box on low profile standard wheels-13". The engine runs out of power to pull the gearing with over 1000 revs left from what I can remember aswell. It does take a while to get there mind.
Matt


*edit* I can get hold of the 6 speed boxes that drop straight in, the rare as rocking horse poo ones - hehehe - expensive tho, esp if they are from Fiat.

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oh so in yor opinion which is the better box?

i love novas but its time for a change

If you calculate it all out, the mk1 6 speeder does give a real 93mph at 6k revs. This might show over 100 on a standard speedo.

Fing is, what did you use for a speedo drive pinion? The cinq speedo is supposed to work off a much higher ratio diff than what's in the 6 speeder. There could well be a mismatch in speedo gearing.

Pete.

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Fordy - The 6 speed all the way! - so much more fun if you don't mind changing gear and the lower top speed! You can spin the wheels in 2nd - hahaha

Pete - huh??? When I have a 6 speed back in a car I will borrow my Dad's Road Angel (tells you your speed according to GPS!) and find out just how innacurate the speedo really is...

Matt

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I don't want to start a fight, but if this is true:
http://www.clubfiatpunto.com/mk1.htm
then 93mph is your top speed at 6000 revs in 6th on 165/55 r 13 tyres according to
http://www.race-technology.com/WebPage2/Other/Utilities/GearCalculations/GearCalculation.html
Mk2 Punto box is about 5% higher gearing IIRC, which still makes for daft revs at motorway speeds.

I'll quite happily issue a retraction and public apology if this isn't true, but until proven I feel it necessary to post my findings.

Issue with speedo gearing: it's driven off the diff spur wheel, which has more teeth on the 6 speeder than the 5 so unless the pinion has the correct number of teeth to correct this for cinq use then the reading might be meaningless.

Pete.

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Is there also not an issue with hi torque engines turning the internals of the six speed to mince.

Cheers

D

Grumpy old git going fast downhill rather than downhill fast!!

I've heard that rumour...

Pete.

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