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DRL's on a Seicento
A guide, how to fit DRL's in the bumper of a Seicento
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[SIZE=2]General Info.

Tools needed:
- a ratchet (with extentions)
- + Screwdriver
- Torx size-30 bit for a ratchet
- Size 8 and 10 bits for a ratchet or a spanner
- A drill ( 4 to 5 mm)
- A Dremel (with cutting blade suitable for plastic, and a milling cutter)
- Soldering Iron/station

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Parts needed:
- Tape or heat-shrinks
- Vaseline
- Glue/sealer
- 4 large screws (I prefer + screws)
- 4 heavy spiral-like Rings (so you can adjust the height)
- The DRL's (can be found HERE) (or use comparable ones)
- A LED dimmer (to make the DRL's dim with headlights on) (found HERE)
- Also you need to have the right type of bumper on your Sei.
- 2 LED Sidelights (this is optional, but recommended) (found HERE)

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Time needed:
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You need like, the whole day, assuming you're not a pro, and you want to do things carefully.

Difficulty:
-
it is technically not such a difficult job, the main difficulty is to cut the bumper right. It is difficult to cut and drill precise, and not damage the paint.

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Re: DRL's on a Seicento (W.I.P.)

What DRL's are they? Are they even correctly 'E' marked
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Re: DRL's on a Seicento (W.I.P.)

I didn't take a close look at the packaging, i believe they are not 'e' marked.
Edit: they are from China, i orderd them at Dealextreme (dx.com) for roughly €20,-
It says: MADE IN CHINA nothing else ^^
(I'm still working on this guide and I will finish it asap)
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Re: DRL's on a Seicento (W.I.P.)

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I didn't take a close look at the packaging, i believe they are not 'e' marked.
Edit: they are from China, i orderd them at Dealextreme (dx.com) for roughly €20,-
It says: MADE IN CHINA nothing else ^^
(I'm still working on this guide and I will finish it asap)
Cool, no worries, the pics work now
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Re: DRL's on a Seicento (W.I.P.)

Quote Originally Posted by Gynthar View Post
I didn't take a close look at the packaging, i believe they are not 'e' marked.
Edit: they are from China, i orderd them at Dealextreme (dx.com) for roughly €20,-
It says: MADE IN CHINA nothing else ^^
(I'm still working on this guide and I will finish it asap)
you need to get all the work for your guide done in advance(in Word for example)
then upload it in one go
you wont be able to go back and edit this one
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Re: DRL's on a Seicento (W.I.P.)

The guide is complete now, I finished it shortly after i placed the first steps, but I was struggeling with the page breaks, i had removed the W.I.P. tag from the title. but it is still showing in the topic, it should be removed
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Re: DRL's on a Seicento

Quote Originally Posted by Gynthar View Post
General Info.

Tools needed:
- a ratchet (with extentions)
- + Screwdriver
- Torx size-30 bit for a ratchet
- Size 8 and 10 bits for a ratchet or a spanner
- A drill ( 4 to 5 mm)
- A Dremel (with cutting blade suitable for plastic, and a milling cutter)
- Soldering Iron/station

Attachment 113519

Parts needed:
- Tape or heat-shrinks
- Vaseline
- Glue/sealer
- 4 large screws (I prefer + screws)
- 4 heavy spiral-like Rings (so you can adjust the height)
- The DRL's (can be found HERE) (or use comparable ones)
- A LED dimmer (to make the DRL's dim with headlights on) (found HERE)
- Also you need to have the right type of bumper on your Sei.
- 2 LED Sidelights (this is optional, but recommended) (found HERE)

Attachment 113518
Attachment 113530

Time needed:
-
You need like, the whole day, assuming you're not a pro, and you want to do things carefully.

Difficulty:
-
it is technically not such a difficult job, the main difficulty is to cut the bumper right. It is difficult to cut and drill precise, and not damage the paint.

[BREAK=Getting the bumper off]
Step 1: Getting the bumper off.

- Allright, let's get started. The first step is getting the bumper off so we can cut it properly. the bumper can be easily removed by unscrewing it at 8 places.

Attachment 113516

nr. 1&2 on top of the bumper in the middle
nr. 3&4 underneath the bumper
nr. 5,6,7,8 on the inside of the bumper, can only be reached when the wheel-arch lining is removed, both screws on the bumper are located near each other, approx. 15cm.

Note: all screws are Torx size 30, screws 5,6,7,8, can only be reached with an extended ratchet.
Attachment 113522

Now the bumper is off, the cutting can begin.

[BREAK=Cutting the bumper]

Step 2: Cutting the bumper.

- Now that the bumper is off, you are able to cut out the 2 segments in the bumper. It almost looks like those spots were made for the job of holding DRL's.

Attachment 113520

on the backside you are able to place your cutter.

Attachment 113525

When you start cutting, remember that you should not cut out the whole piece, leaving the front of the bullet-shaped bit looks nicer.

Attachment 113524

What it looks like on the front if you did this correctly.

Attachment 113521

If this is done on both sides of the bumper, you're done with that, the rest is all about mounting the DRL's on the chassis.

Attachment 113526

I first tried to check if the holes in the bumper are large enough to hold the Lamp.
If they don't fit properly at first, put a small (milling) cutter on your dremel.

[BREAK=Mounting the DRL's on the chassis]

Step 3: Mounting the DRL's on the chassis.

-Now that the bumper is cut, and the holes are large enough to fit the DRL's, we can mount them on the chassis.
Luckily the height of the cutouts is fully corresponding whith the height of the chassis.
To reach this place you will have to remove your headlamp units.

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First of all, you have to posission the DRL's in the right place, so the will be beaming forward, it is all a matter of holding the bumper and see how things fit and if they are beaming the right way.

when you made sure this is all right, you can proceed drilling two holes in the chassis, which will hold the backet in which the DRL's will be fitted.
(note: on the right side of the chassis there is a little bump, make sure to put enough rings between the backet and the chassis.)

Attachment 113535

Always use sufficient vaseline on the drilled holes to avoid corrosion!

Attachment 113533

Make sure to Seal the DRL´s with glue. This avoids that your DRL becomes an aquarium, even if they are sealed, i suggest to do this again, just in case.

once done the lamps can be fitted in place.
(to fit the lamps right in this particular case, I had to cut away a litte bit of the aluminum housing. this was necessary to fit above the screws)

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if everything has been done correctly, the bumper should fit over them, right in place!

[BREAK=Wiring and electronics]

Step 4: Wiring and electronics.

- Now that all the cutting and drilling has been done, and the bumper has been fit into place again. the Wiring needs to be done.

- The LED dimmer I used (which is obligatory to pass the MOT, APK, TÜV) just has to be connected to the + of the car battery, and to the chassis for mass. Apparently, this little dimmer is smart enough to detect the voltage difference between the 12V (standard battery) and the Dynamo with a running engine ~14V. the DRL's will, when wired properly turn on when the engine starts.
I bolted the dimmer-unit on the bottom of the ECU-unit.

Attachment 113527

The LED dimmer is provided with an instruction manuals which explains the different colored wires.
there is a Battery +, a Mass, left, and right DRL +, and - And wires for the sidelights or low beam.

When you turn on your low beam, or sidelights the DRL's will dimm to a light level of approx. 40%.

Attachment 113529

To fix all the wiring, and connecting the DRL's to the unit, i cut the wires to the right length and soldered them. you can use heatshrinks on the patched cables, so isolate them, tape is also a good alternative.

All that should be done now is tidy up the engine compartment, and fit the LED sidelights.

Attachment 113531

When these are fitted, they match the colour temperature of the DRL's

Attachment 113538

[BREAK=Final results and other thoughts]

Final results, and other thoughts

-After a long time working on this, and many setbacks, this is the final result:

Attachment 113536
Attachment 113537
Attachment 113523

This guide is made for a specific type of DRL's but should work with comparable ones.
I also came to notice that the DRL's I use don't have an 'E' marking, or european 'CE' marking

Also: Never forget to use sufficient vaseline after drilling holes in the chassis to avoid corrosion, and don´t forget to seal your DRL-units watertight.

Thanks for reading this guide, hope it helped you.

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Re: DRL's on a Seicento

Great guide, thanks.

One question, I have different type DRLs(these are ON when iginiton is ON (engine running) and turning OFF when you use headlights (slovak road regulations), with three leads (black > - earth, yellow > parking lights, and white > + to connect to ignition (+15 terminal)) - any idea where's the best place under hood close to headlights where I can find live connection only when ignition is ON ?? (with enough power supply for 0.31A Led lights)


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Great guide, thanks.

One question, I have different type DRLs(these are ON when iginiton is ON (engine running) and turning OFF when you use headlights (slovak road regulations), with three leads (black > - earth, yellow > parking lights, and white > + to connect to ignition (+15 terminal)) - any idea where's the best place under hood close to headlights where I can find live connection only when ignition is ON ?? (with enough power supply for 0.31A Led lights)


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For my DRL system I don’t use ignition power but a voltage operated swich which triggers at the dynamo voltage (13,8V).

I never found an easily accessible power line that is directly connected to the ignition switch in that area of the engine compartment.

What I do know is that the power line running towards the ECU is directly connected to the ignition switch, but it won't be easy to tap power of this line while it is encased in a plastic tube. You could try poking one of these wires with a voltage meter or detector (there are tools for this purpose equipped with a sharp needle to penetrate the isolation layer without leaving behind a large hole in this layer).

the best accessible ignition power line is the one for the electric windows, this one can be found in the interior behind the fuse box (I used this one for a different project). You could make a new power line and run it through the dashboard to the engine compartment.


There for you can use this kind of wire clips.


This won’t be easy either since Fiat used high quality cable seals to prevent water from penetrating the interior.


I don’t have more knowledge or experience to share on this subject unfortunately..


Good luck building! I’m really eager to see the results!, please post them


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Re: DRL's on a Seicento

already made it :-) ignition lead (WHITE) connected to D29 junction (MPi engine), its containing reverse light, speedo sensor and injection power - workshop manual really helped, lights working now. you can also see earth and parking lights cable in picture (BLACK, YELLOW)

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Re: DRL's on a Seicento

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There for you can use this kind of wire clips.
They're called scotch locks for reference
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already made it :-) ignition lead (WHITE) connected to D29 junction (MPi engine), its containing reverse light, speedo sensor and injection power - workshop manual really helped, lights working now. you can also see earth and parking lights cable in picture (BLACK, YELLOW)

Nice job, also looks awesome mounted in the bumper!
And also thanks for sharing your knowlage on the ignition power line

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