Yeah well when I bought my car it came with the diamondbrite guarentee and it was coated, etc etc. Dunno if I believe in the stuff but so far it's gleamed when I wash it with the shampoo etc.

Anyway, I was wondering is there any polish or equivalent (I'm not good at this subject haha) that could get rid of the swirls on my car without damaging the coating?

simple answer: no, as soon as you polish it it will remove the film (which isnt a film btw is it's technically a sealent (semi-perm) and tbh it's cr*p) you will not be able to polish any defects away without removing it....

best sugg: clay it, maybe IPA wipedown to remove the db, then i would rinse again to remove any particles, polish (if not using a machine use some AG SRP with an applicator small amount worked well at a time or MP it if you have one), then seal (with something such as FK1000) then wax (whatever you want tbh)...could also just go for sealent or wax both is an acceptable LSP (Last Stage Product) (btw to keep up the warranty of protection there are lots of hoops to jump through and some other LSP's such as FK1000/Zaino and even some waxes will easily outlast the extra steps needed to up keep the db which is therefore exactly the same tbh) if you like LSP's then i would say go for waxes if you like protection for most of the time the sealents are far better choice and easily as above outlast db....

I don't like diamondbrite - I have someone new ringing me daily during August/September asking how much we charge to Diamondbrite the car - we steer them towards a fully synthetic sealant such as FK1000p of tried and tested collinite. Usually the come back for an enhancement and wax top up 6-9 months later and it looks better, lasts just as long and comes in cheaper than it would have been to put the diamondbrite on at the dealer.

Ninja59 said:

simple answer: no, as soon as you polish it it will remove the film (which isnt a film btw is it's technically a sealent (semi-perm) and tbh it's cr*p) you will not be able to polish any defects away without removing it....

best sugg: clay it, maybe IPA wipedown to remove the db, then i would rinse again to remove any particles, polish (if not using a machine use some AG SRP with an applicator small amount worked well at a time or MP it if you have one), then seal (with something such as FK1000) then wax (whatever you want tbh)...could also just go for sealent or wax both is an acceptable LSP (Last Stage Product) (btw to keep up the warranty of protection there are lots of hoops to jump through and some other LSP's such as FK1000/Zaino and even some waxes will easily outlast the extra steps needed to up keep the db which is therefore exactly the same tbh) if you like LSP's then i would say go for waxes if you like protection for most of the time the sealents are far better choice and easily as above outlast db....

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lol thanks, but you abbreviate things too much!

Ninja59 said:

simple answer: no, as soon as you polish it it will remove the film (which isnt a film btw is it's technically a sealent (semi-perm) and tbh TO BE HONEST it's cr*p) you will not be able to polish any defects away without removing it....

best sugg: clay it, maybe IPA Isopropol alcohol or panel preparation solvent wipedown to remove the db,Diamond bright then i would rinse again to remove any particles, polish (if not using a machine use some AG SRP Autoglym super resin polish with an applicator small amount worked well at a time or MP machine polisher it if you have one), then seal (with something such as FK1000) then wax (whatever you want tbh)...could also just go for sealent or wax both is an acceptable LSP (Last Stage Product) (btw By the way to keep up the warranty of protection there are lots of hoops to jump through and some other LSP's such as FK1000/Zaino and even some waxes will easily outlast the extra steps needed to up keep the db which is therefore exactly the same tbh) if you like LSP's then i would say go for waxes if you like protection for most of the time the sealents are far better choice and easily as above outlast db....

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idaho1 said:

lol thanks, but you abbreviate things too much!

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zzz

Andy Monty said:

zzz

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thank you......so used to doing that...

Ninja59 said:

thank you......so used to doing that...

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Repeat after me:


"im not on detailing world, This is the Fiat Forum, People think im talking an alien language"

"im not on detailing world, This is the Fiat Forum, People think im talking an alien language"...that thought came to mind after the comment...

Ninja59 said:

simple answer: no, as soon as you polish it it will remove the film (which isnt a film btw is it's technically a sealent (semi-perm) and tbh it's cr*p) you will not be able to polish any defects away without removing it....

best sugg: clay it, maybe IPA wipedown to remove the db, then i would rinse again to remove any particles, polish (if not using a machine use some AG SRP with an applicator small amount worked well at a time or MP it if you have one), then seal (with something such as FK1000) then wax (whatever you want tbh)...could also just go for sealent or wax both is an acceptable LSP (Last Stage Product) (btw to keep up the warranty of protection there are lots of hoops to jump through and some other LSP's such as FK1000/Zaino and even some waxes will easily outlast the extra steps needed to up keep the db which is therefore exactly the same tbh) if you like LSP's then i would say go for waxes if you like protection for most of the time the sealents are far better choice and easily as above outlast db....

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So basically what you're saying is that there're sealents that last longer than diamondbrite out there? Because all I want is a nice finish but minimal work (i.e. wash it normally for weeks, and poslish it once in a while) ...?

yep FK1000/zaino tbh will be what you are looking for as you want minimal work. Im viewing that the prodcuts mentione will be better than the diamondbrite because the amount of effort that will be required to up keep the diamondbrite will be about the same (esp. if you want the db warranty to be complete otherwise its not worth the paper its written on)....zaino/FK1000 could probably last a good 12 months or if you suddenly decided you needed an improvement in the overall look. polish and then apply the sealent again (something that you would not be able to do with the diamondbrite as they rarely give you the kits they originally came with)

idaho1 said:

So basically what you're saying is that there're sealents that last longer than diamondbrite out there? Because all I want is a nice finish but minimal work (i.e. wash it normally for weeks, and poslish it once in a while) ...?

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Polishing will remove the bulk of the diamondbrite anyway.

Stick with the FK100p/Colly option as already mentioned above.

if you need any help going through the choices or if you would like to test any of them i'm in West Bromwich and would be happy to show you some examples.

paulyev said:

Polishing will remove the bulk of the diamondbrite anyway.

Stick with the FK100p/Colly option as already mentioned above.

if you need any help going through the choices or if you would like to test any of them i'm in West Bromwich and would be happy to show you some examples.

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Thanks mate.

It's just that currently I've got a lot of diamonbrite stuff left so I dunno if I should keep using it or not lol

idaho1 said:

Thanks mate.

It's just that currently I've got a lot of diamonbrite stuff left so I dunno if I should keep using it or not lol

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well if you have it Use it up just dont expect it to be the miracle super stuff it claims

Andy Monty said:

well if you have it Use it up just dont expect it to be the miracle super stuff it claims

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No I know, because I already have swirls like a bitch, but I may aswell hadn't I

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No I know, because I already have swirls like a bitch, but I may aswell hadn't I

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if you didn't want to splash out on a polisher or someone to correct the paint for you there are a number of products on the market that will help fill the swirls and will look thousands of times better than the diamondbrite.

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if you didn't want to splash out on a polisher or someone to correct the paint for you there are a number of products on the market that will help fill the swirls and will look thousands of times better than the diamondbrite.

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Yeah but again, I've got the products at the moment so I might aswell use them and then get some sealant?

Also, how do I work something in if I don't have a machine polisher (as I can't justify spending nearly £200 on something I wouldn't use that much)

& did someone mention that I could clay the car and it wouldn't effect the DB?

tbh i would not bother using them and just forget about it i still have litres of the crap DB shampoo which does f all

the MP's are no where near 200 quid there more like 70 -80 for the DAS-6

and claying the car will remove some of the properties of the db like every other sealent tbh...there conserver is just like re applying and tbh you have to do that more than reaplying something such as FK1000

Ninja59 said:

simple answer: no, as soon as you polish it it will remove the film (which isnt a film btw is it's technically a sealent (semi-perm) and tbh it's cr*p) you will not be able to polish any defects away without removing it....

best sugg: clay it, maybe IPA wipedown to remove the db, then i would rinse again to remove any particles, polish (if not using a machine use some AG SRP with an applicator small amount worked well at a time or MP it if you have one), then seal (with something such as FK1000) then wax (whatever you want tbh)...could also just go for sealent or wax both is an acceptable LSP (Last Stage Product) (btw to keep up the warranty of protection there are lots of hoops to jump through and some other LSP's such as FK1000/Zaino and even some waxes will easily outlast the extra steps needed to up keep the db which is therefore exactly the same tbh) if you like LSP's then i would say go for waxes if you like protection for most of the time the sealents are far better choice and easily as above outlast db....

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I've been reading this thread again, and I'm going on holiday on Tuesday and would like to ensure my car is clean for the winter when I get back so was thinking of cleaning it 'properly'.

I don't want to be spending a lifetime cleaning it as I can't be bothered, but have a few questions...

Where's a cheap place to get this stuff from (have been reading tris' thread) as I've seen cleanyourcar.co.uk, and have you got links to this stuff?

The sealent FK1000 what is that, as I've searched for that but does that stand for 'finishkare' or what?

(complete noob question).. why can't I attatch something to my drill to use as a machine polisher, or is that not possible

What I think I need is: 2 buckets, a wash mitt, some microfibre towels/cloths, some 'meguiars last touch', some bilt-hamber clay or whatever, and autoglym super resin?

You can tell I'm clueless

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phone your order through and ask if you can swap the auto clay for Soft auto clay £1 up charge immsmc

read the instruction sheets and get to work (apply the balm thinner than thin wet pad dab onto balm a couple of times ((dont rub the pad into it)) Too much is a pig to remove

wash- clay- wash - balm (no need to dry car between wash and balm)

if you want to polish your car then you can



wash -clay- wash-dry- polish- balm

but you are going to have to put some time in with the polishing stage...
1ft square area will probably need a couple of "hits" of about 3 mins to make any noticeable correction..

the Balm contains fillers which will hide swirls really well

and can also be used on black trim

get the drill idea out of your head as well as that will cause more harm than good...

on the FK its Finish Kare 1000p yep although you could try the pink wax they also do i really want to but i cannot really a) find a need anymore b) justify it
although i really want a black baron dryer for xmas at the mo