Hi all,

new to Fiat ownership! My wife has wanted a Bravo for a long time so I picked up a 2010 1.6JTD Duelogic Dynamic. Being very rare here it was a long hunt and a case of take what you can get. The car is a one owner from new, with full service history and a new T-belt and water pump. As it was a long way from me a friend test drove it and let me know that the DPF light had illuminated at the end of the test. I picked it up yesterday, and noticing it was low on diesel filled up to ensure it would regenerate on the 200 mile trip home. After a few miles the DPF light came on. Then the MIL came on and it went into limp mode. I stopped in the service and restarted. It displayed a 'anti pollution filter blocked' message on the display and engine malfunction. I trashed it down the road but it failed to regenerate. I stuck the code reader on it at home and got P2563, Turbo boost control position sensor circuit range. My plan is to get the DPF cleaned (reflected in the purchase price), but is the second code related? Is it a result of excessive back pressure? Does this value come from a pressure sensor or an actuator on the turbo?

Thanks in advance.
Dave

I dropped by the local DPF specialist to get a price for getting the unit cleaned. They tell me that regeneration will not take place if there are stored trouble codes. I gave them the code and they've told me I need a new turbo plus a DPF clean. Has anyone successfully changed the actuator on a turbo on one of these engines (they are available but they say it's not a good idea). If it needs a turbo I'll change it, just want to make sure it's my issue first. Anything else I should check?

Well it looks like the turbo is the issue. The actuator is hard to move and sticks in position.

If you get get the in take pipe off it you could try cleaning for little money
If it didn't work you'd only have lost £10 or so and some time

generally all parts to refurbish a turbo yourself are available, the actuator I believe is an electronic part on your car and you can get hold of these new for considerably less than the price of a new turbo.

Thanks for the replies. I've contacted a local turbo specialist yesterday and they're going to inspect and repair/recondition the turbo for a very reasonable cost and provide a warranty. Started stripping it last night, but one of the nuts under the turbo appears to be damaged so I'll have to remove the DPF and exhaust manifold to get it out. My initial plan was to swap the turbo and see if the DPF then regenerated, but as it's going to be off the car I think I might have it tested and cleaned if required. Has anyone removed a DPF on one before? Should I undo the differential pressure pipes at the DPF or at the next joint along the way?
Regards,
Dave

dmcsweeney said:

Thanks for the replies. I've contacted a local turbo specialist yesterday and they're going to inspect and repair/recondition the turbo for a very reasonable cost and provide a warranty. Started stripping it last night, but one of the nuts under the turbo appears to be damaged so I'll have to remove the DPF and exhaust manifold to get it out. My initial plan was to swap the turbo and see if the DPF then regenerated, but as it's going to be off the car I think I might have it tested and cleaned if required. Has anyone removed a DPF on one before? Should I undo the differential pressure pipes at the DPF or at the next joint along the way?
Regards,
Dave

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Dave, what quotes are you getting to do the turbo? I do not know yet but mine may be goosed. I am in Ireland too so would like to know.

I looked up reconditioning your own turbo and it doesn't look that bad with some tools and a kit!

Barry,

I'm going to use Turbo Direct in Ballincollig. They don't have any rebuilt units on the shelf so they'll rebuild mine when it comes in. They said around €300, possibly less. I'd rather give it to them as they'll test and balance the unit and give a 1 year warranty.
Regards,
Dave

dmcsweeney said:

Barry,

I'm going to use Turbo Direct in Ballincollig. They don't have any rebuilt units on the shelf so they'll rebuild mine when it comes in. They said around €300, possibly less. I'd rather give it to them as they'll test and balance the unit and give a 1 year warranty.
Regards,
Dave

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What a coincidence, I am in Cork too!

The 1.6 Bravo is a nice little machine with great fuel economy but I must warn you - finding parts in Ireland is basically impossible as the car is so rare.

For your future endeavours go to https://fiatdalys.lt

There, put in your VIN number (This is important) and then the site gives you all diagrams of virtually every part of the car. What is important though is that it gives specific OE numbers for the parts that you need.

I have only found this recently after two years but this makes finding parts far, far easier!

Just something I thought you would like to know!

Barry,

thanks for the information. I've noticed that parts are a bit thin on the ground alright. Praying the duelogic box gives no trouble as these are rarer again. Its only being used as our second car so wont be doing much mileage which I'm hoping will help. Now that I have to strip the DPF out as well I'm thinking I'll just have it cleaned professionally as a precaution while its out. A contact I have in Murphy's Engines is putting me in touch with someone so I'll update you on how it goes. I'll try and hit the workshop again tonight for a few hours to try and get it all stripped. I'm running out of space in there with 4 of our cars now in there plus tractors so I need her done quickly and back out.
Regards,
Dave

dmcsweeney said:

Barry,

thanks for the information. I've noticed that parts are a bit thin on the ground alright. Praying the duelogic box gives no trouble as these are rarer again. Its only being used as our second car so wont be doing much mileage which I'm hoping will help. Now that I have to strip the DPF out as well I'm thinking I'll just have it cleaned professionally as a precaution while its out. A contact I have in Murphy's Engines is putting me in touch with someone so I'll update you on how it goes. I'll try and hit the workshop again tonight for a few hours to try and get it all stripped. I'm running out of space in there with 4 of our cars now in there plus tractors so I need her done quickly and back out.
Regards,
Dave

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Before you do that, why not try a force regen through the MultiECUScan software and an OBD usb tool?

I did that before with mine and it essentially forces a regen while you are parked. Engine revs to 3000 for about ten minutes or so while things get extremely hot.

After you do that, you will be able to see the DPF degradation on the tool. If its still high and the codes come back, then you know something is wrong rather than the car just not triggering a regen on its own

Barry

Barry,

I haven't got around to getting the software or connector yet, I'm just working off my code reader. Where did you get the interface lead? I believe some are useless. My plan was while she was off to get the DPF tested at least to see how clogged it is as I don't know the history or how long it's been like this. I assume with the software I can see how many failed regens there were? Only problem being that I've got the battery disconnected (we never leave anything in the workshop overnight with a battery) so I'm not sure if that information would be lost. Just trying to avoid multiple strip downs. I'll try to get a cable on order today. Are you using the free or paid version of the software?
Thanks,
Dave

dmcsweeney said:

Barry,

I haven't got around to getting the software or connector yet, I'm just working off my code reader. Where did you get the interface lead? I believe some are useless. My plan was while she was off to get the DPF tested at least to see how clogged it is as I don't know the history or how long it's been like this. I assume with the software I can see how many failed regens there were? Only problem being that I've got the battery disconnected (we never leave anything in the workshop overnight with a battery) so I'm not sure if that information would be lost. Just trying to avoid multiple strip downs. I'll try to get a cable on order today. Are you using the free or paid version of the software?
Thanks,
Dave

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The interface lead I actually got from a friend but getting ones on ebay isn't difficult. You just have to make sure it isn't a fake one!

Yeah, the software can tell you all of that. Its specifically designed for Fiat cars so its extremely powerful. That information will still be there stored, battery or not I think.

It's only the paid software that works im afraid. Have a look around for it though

dmcsweeney said:

I dropped by the local DPF specialist to get a price for getting the unit cleaned. They tell me that regeneration will not take place if there are stored trouble codes. I gave them the code and they've told me I need a new turbo plus a DPF clean. Has anyone successfully changed the actuator on a turbo on one of these engines (they are available but they say it's not a good idea). If it needs a turbo I'll change it, just want to make sure it's my issue first. Anything else I should check?

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Not necessarily need a turbo. Most probably the excessive soot build up blocks the movement of the turbo geometry.

edesl said:

Not necessarily need a turbo. Most probably the excessive soot build up blocks the movement of the turbo geometry.

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It was definitely the turbo. Vanes were stuck and a nut had come off the intake side and caused damage. I've had it rebuilt, but due to work, I still haven't finished putting it back together. Either way it was toast.

Hi all,

apologies, I completely forgot to give you all an update on this tread. After 7 weeks in the workshop (I was busy with work) I got the car finished a few weeks ago. So I had the turbo rebuilt, changed the oil and filter (sump plug stuck solid and rounded, used an extractor in the end) and dismantled and cleaned the air box and all the associated duct work. I had a pig of a time getting it out as one stud stripped and a nut rounded so I removed the manifold and turbo complete, requiring removal of the DPF, and extracted and replaced the studs on the bench. Bolted he back to gether, cleared the codes and took her for a drive. After a few miles the road disappeared in a cloud of smoke momentarily (some poo escaped from me and the car at this point) and off went the DPF warning! All good since, plenty of power, smells far cleaner and no warnings. Thanks again for your help.

Dave