General Bravo 1.6 Dynamic Eco diesel any good ?

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General Bravo 1.6 Dynamic Eco diesel any good ?

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hi folks
need a car, and seen this is coming up at the auction soon, there are no details of mileage yet,
are these 1.6 eco diesels any good ?
what mileage to change the cambelt ?
its 2012 reg

what is the dpf, is it an add liquid type or does it add extra fuel to burn muck like the astra ?

thanks
 
Well the engine is bulletproof. Cambelt needs to be replaced every 5th or 4th year if its been driven in city and short journeys a lot. Personally I'd go with every 4th regardless.

The 6-speed M32 gearbox however, (that sits in the 1.6 and 1.9 diesel) are well known for failing due to weak bearings. You will first hear a whining noise in certain gears and at certain rews/speeds. Seems to be very common. Google this gearbox and you'll find plenty of info about this problem.
The gearbox might last if you're lucky but if youre not, you're looking at an expensive rebuild.

BUT I'd say its a good buy if you can get a really good price on it, has been taking care of and has full service history.
Look for one that has mostly been driven on long journeys and not city driving, as this can cause the DPF filter and EGR valve to clogg up. The DPF is suppose to last the lifetime of the car (according to Fiat) and is suppose to regenerate and clean itself. DPF stands for diesel particulate filter. From what I understand, it can become defective and clogg up due to short journeys and lack of oil changes. If that happens, you might need to replace the DPF. Apparently its an expensive job. Good idea to rev out the engine every now and then and have some fun with the car, in other words.

The same goes for if city driving is what you're planning to have the car for. Then you're better off with a petrol.
Also - definitily recommend finding one with parking sensors. The visibilty around the car is awful.

My mom has had the same car for about 2-3 years now. Except for some small niggles, It's been a good, reliable car. She's had to replace the front spring struts, the glowplugs, a few bulbs here and there. Rear badge and driver door rubber list have fallen off. The battery just recently started to drain a few times. Mechanic says its just the battery, so hopefully its not the alternator. And yes, she has the whining noise in the gearbox. During this time of year, the gears can be very stiff in the first few minutes. Especially first. I've read that the gear-linkage cable tends to rust. Fiat replaced some of them under warrenty for free, apparently. It's a 2009 model though.

There are things that annoys me though and where I think they could have done a better effort when designing the car. Cup holders are rubbish, not that much legroom in the back, heat ventilation to the legs is very poor during the winter. handling is very stable and good but the ride tends to be a bit jiddery. Other than that... nice car if you're looking for something different and stylish. It's very quite at high speeds, even more so than in a vw Golf. Fuel economy has been impressive.
 
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The dpf requires extra fuel to burn clean. My bravo was almost new when I bought it now the counter stands at 22000 European miles, it has never been any issue with the DPF.
 
The dpf requires extra fuel to burn clean. My bravo was almost new when I bought it now the counter stands at 22000 European miles, it has never been any issue with the DPF.

Yeah, problem with the DPF has probably affected those who've done city driving only and/or haven't made oil changes regurarly. Also important to reset the oil index in the computer when changing the oil, since this can effect the DPF regeneration negatively.
 
thanks for the replies it really does help
Mrs has a Zafira which has DPF, I fitted a light to show when its on, so she drives till regen has finished, with Zafiras regen is every tankful

looks like its just the gearbox that's a probelm then, its going to be doing around 20k a year so maybe not the car for me to get
 
Yeah, problem with the DPF has probably affected those who've done city driving only and/or haven't made oil changes regurarly. Also important to reset the oil index in the computer when changing the oil, since this can effect the DPF regeneration negatively.

Can anyone explain a bit more about resetting the oil index following an oil change?
 
hmm I might have been totally wrong about the 1.6 mjt having the M32 gearbox! I just read that this 6-speed gearbox is called C530? and not known to have problems like the M32.

When my mom bought her 1.6mjt, I immediately noticed the whining noise on our way home. It was not very noticable, but you could hear it if you listened carefully. Unfortunaly we had already bought the car, but the car dealership replaced it for a 2nd hand one, that had done much less mileage. However, after a few weeks it had the same whining noise and now it's quite apparent in several gears, especially 3rd at low speeds.
But if it has the C530 gearbox... I guess there's no need to be worried?

Anyway, my apologize!
 
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hmm I might have been totally wrong about the 1.6 mjt having the M32 gearbox! I just read that this 6-speed gearbox is called C530? and not known to have problems like the M32.

When my mom bought her 1.6mjt, I immediately noticed the whining noise on our way home. It was not very noticable, but you could hear it if you listened carefully. Unfortunaly we had already bought the car, but the car dealership replaced it for a 2nd hand one, that had done much less mileage. However, after a few weeks it had the same whining noise and now it's quite apparent in several gears, especially 3rd at low speeds.
But if it has the C530 gearbox... I guess there's no need to be worried?

Anyway, my apologize!

If reverse is top left, it is an M32 Box. If it's bottom right, it's the C530. I believe (happy to be corrected) that the 1.9JTD tends to have the C530, whilst the 1.6mjet and petrols have the M32.

The 2.0 Diesel has a different box again.
 
I am just curious the 1.6mj eco and 120 are same weight, same gearbox and same drag efficient how come the eco do it 64mpg more than the 120 62.8mpg? must be the low rolling resistance. If the person change from Low rolling resistance to normal summer tyre on eco would it drop to 62.8mpg?
 
If reverse is top left, it is an M32 Box. If it's bottom right, it's the C530. I believe (happy to be corrected) that the 1.9JTD tends to have the C530, whilst the 1.6mjet and petrols have the M32.

The 2.0 Diesel has a different box again.

the reverse gear is to the bottom-right on my moms 1.6 mjet eco. I live in Sweden though, maybe the ones you have in the UK are different.
 
I am just curious the 1.6mj eco and 120 are same weight, same gearbox and same drag efficient how come the eco do it 64mpg more than the 120 62.8mpg? must be the low rolling resistance. If the person change from Low rolling resistance to normal summer tyre on eco would it drop to 62.8mpg?

Eco might have low resistance tires, but could also have:
- under-body air panels;
- less aggressive accelerator response
- different tune
-and more importantly.. the 1.6 mjes comes in 3 power levels 90,105,120.. so different turbo, different tune ..etc more efficient, less power.
 
If reverse is top left, it is an M32 Box. If it's bottom right, it's the C530. I believe (happy to be corrected) that the 1.9JTD tends to have the C530, whilst the 1.6mjet and petrols have the M32.

The 2.0 Diesel has a different box again.

You are correct matthen that the 1.6 has the 6 speed c530 gearbox but these gearboxes are extremely rare. I know i had to find one and there were 2 in the uk and cost £750 used so check there are no whines and all gears work perfectly :)
 
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