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Shock Absorbers - your advice guys...

My son's 2.0D M-jet Sport has reached 80K and the ride is getting quite crashy. So I'm looking to replace front and rear dampers.

I guess because there are so few Bravos in the UK, there's not a huge selection available. Seems limited to:

Monroe
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Bilstein do several options, from simple OEM replacement to their yellow sport shocks (at a commensurately high price!).

Anyone replaced thier dampers or have any views..?
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Re: Shock Absorbers - your advice guys...

Well...over 100 views and not a single comment! So I take it no-one on here has had to change dampers yet!

So, for information, after some research I have determined the following:
  • Bravo rear dampers are common to all models and available widely from a selection of makers.
  • Bravo front dampers differ depending on model. On smaller-engined cars, the damper tube has an external diameter of 58mm, whereas cars with Sport spec require a damper tube of 75mm diameter. And these Sport dampers are like hen's teeth! The only maker I found who produce them are Sachs - and direct from FIAT of course (at great expense!).
And the question you all want the answer to - was it worth changing? At 80,000 miles, without hesitation it's worth it! The ride quality has massively improved and what was a really 'crashy' suspension is now quiet and nice and supple.
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Re: Shock Absorbers - your advice guys...

That's good research there I always thought they were the same across the range

If I ever needed to replace mine (which hopefully won't be for a while) I would prefer the bilstien sport set up similar to the one fitted to my old Schumacher. They were awesome!
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That's good research there I always thought they were the same across the range

If I ever needed to replace mine (which hopefully won't be for a while) I would prefer the bilstien sport set up similar to the one fitted to my old Schumacher. They were awesome!
I agree gadge! But sadly Bilstein don't make them in the 75mm tube size, so not available for my son's 165 M-jet Sport.

But the Bilstein Yellows are still going strong on my Schumi...
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Well...over 100 views and not a single comment! So I take it no-one on here has had to change dampers yet!
I am using the Bilstein/Eibach B12 Pro Kit, E90-30-012-01-22. You can search for my short review, but in general: not a huge difference from the stock Sport ones, but then again, I opted for the Pro Kit, not the Sport Kit.

I haven't tried them on track though, maybe there's where they will shine.
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[QUOTE=Yellow Peril;4014506]........ And these Sport dampers are like hen's teeth! The only maker I found who produce them are Sachs - and direct from FIAT of course (at great expense!).[k/QUOTE]

A quick search on ebay has thrown these up - there BOGE shocks and only come in at 52 delivered.

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...d=370935203277

In fact I found quite a few for the 165 m-jet
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Re: Shock Absorbers - your advice guys...

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In fact I found quite a few for the 165 m-jet sport
Well for everyone's sake I hope you're right. But in my experience in recent weeks, just because it's listed for the 165 doesn't mean it will fit!
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Re: Shock Absorbers - your advice guys...

Well of course you'll need to investigate things a little further - I wouldn't take an ebay add as gospel maybe phone them up and see but I'm just wondering what the difference between a m-jet sport and a standard m-jet 2.0. If we could see some part numbers then we would know for sure if there the same part
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Re: Shock Absorbers - your advice guys...

The difference is in the external diameter of the damper tube.
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Re: Shock Absorbers - your advice guys...

Hey Phil,

Thanks for posting this question re: shocks front and rear.

I have a 1.4Tjet Sport and am desperately looking at replacing my stuffed shocks ( front and rear ) Bravoisimo has now 145000km on and the drive is not great, squeaky with lots of body roll.

My right hand front shock has failed so i assume all the others needs replacement.

Here in South Africa we can get the following OEM:
- KYB ( WHich is supposedly stiffer but does not get great reviews regarding qualtity- and is rather middlw of the cost range )
- Monroe's gas OEM from my local parts dealer at a great price ( I have contacts
- Bilstein B12 Pro-Kit ( expensive but seems to be the best upgrade)
- here is the eBay link http://www.ebay.com/itm/Eibach-Bilst...bb059b&vxp=mtr

I was thinking of getting the Eibach Pro Kit springs and fitting the Monroes/ or KYBs as this will be a better cost decision.

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I am using the Bilstein/Eibach B12 Pro Kit, E90-30-012-01-22. You can search for my short review, but in general: not a huge difference from the stock Sport ones, but then again, I opted for the Pro Kit, not the Sport Kit.

I haven't tried them on track though, maybe there's where they will shine.
Lyubohar,

Im also considering getting this system as it will not lower the car much ( already a problem with speed bumps here in South Africa) but as Phill said our SPort cars need the 78mm tube

I assume they will fit my car also - 2010 1.4Tjet Sport??

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Re: Shock Absorbers - your advice guys...

You'll go 1 cm lower than stock Sport. It's not much, but if if you already feel your car way too low, this will make it worse.
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Re: Shock Absorbers - your advice guys...

Bravo811 - unless the road surfaces in your part of SA are really good, I would think very carefully before your proposed suspension 'upgrade'. Yes, Eibachs will give you more sporty handling, but at the inevitable expense of ride quality. You might be better to go for good quality dampers (like the Bilsteins or KONI yellows) but keep your stock springs.

Just my two penn'orth...
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You'll go 1 cm lower than stock Sport. It's not much, but if if you already feel your car way too low, this will make it worse.
i hear you L, however i will be able to live with 1cm drop... ill just have to be a lot more careful
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Bravo811 - unless the road surfaces in your part of SA are really good, I would think very carefully before your proposed suspension 'upgrade'. Yes, Eibachs will give you more sporty handling, but at the inevitable expense of ride quality. You might be better to go for good quality dampers (like the Bilsteins or KONI yellows) but keep your stock springs.

Just my two penn'orth...
Your penny is worth more than our money dude...hehehe

OUky Yellow, you have made me think here and 2 scenarios/ questions come to mind:
1: what actually makes your ride "better" ie. less body roll, better stability etc. Springs or shocks?? ( eibach website has video showing what the springs can do with standard shocks)
2: due to the cost of such an B12 kit and the roads being a veriety of good and bad - I was thinking of going towards Monroe Gas and Eibach Pro Kit Springs ( a combination that will save me 1000s)

How do you guys see these? ( i.e. help)

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