Hello again chaps

May i ask, has anyone driven both? im ready to part ex my 1.9 120 for a 1.6 105. The new one ive seen is in that lovely Maranello Red, with Sports Kit & low mileage as my current superstar has 82k on the clock.

In terms of performance are they comparable? appreciate the lower BHP but ive read somewhere that the newer generation of Mulitjet engine has 25% more torque?

Thankyou again for any comments

The old one is better in every way. (gearbox, torque, power, durability, economy)

If you're not happy with its performance, get it remapped to 150~170bhp.

1.9 is for me the best option, 1.6 with 105 hp has maybe better mpg and insurance, thats all.

The 1.6 has awful turbo lag and gives poor economy. I had the old 1.9 in a Doblo and loved it. Then I had a newer Doblo with the 1.6 105 and hated it. Awful lag, crap economy, and the world's worst gearbox.

I've now bought a Suzuki with the 118 hp version of the same engine and I love it. Sweet, quick, economical, and practically no lag. And a fabulous clutch and a much better engineered gearbox linkage.

I'll see what Fiat, and Suzuki, are doing in three years, but the last year was Fiat hell and I'm happy to have got away.

Ulpian said:

The 1.6 has awful turbo lag and gives poor economy

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I can't speak for the 105, but this is definitely not the case with my 120 1.6.

Very smooth engine, even power band and no turbo lag experienced on mine.

Fuel economy is very respectable also.

It is the 105, horrible lag and poor economy. The Suzy has the 120 (118) and it is, as you say, fantastic.

Thankyou, the advice given has told me to steer clear of the 105. Perhaps its best (like you say) to hunt a newer 1.9 120 or 1.6 120. I think the 1.9's were made upto an 09 plate??

In no reason to swap other than the resale value for my 07 active. (oh and ive lost 2 trims lol) That said a well known car supermarket has a 1.9 09 plate 150 for sale for 5k, very tempting if that comes down in lollies!!

Cheers anyway

Even the 1.6 120 is no match for the 1.9.

The 1.6 is weaker, has an annoying dpf and a lazy 6 speed gearbox.

Look for a high spec 1.9 multijet and remap it for the best possible engine in the bravo range.

RBCLee said:

Thankyou, the advice given has told me to steer clear of the 105. Perhaps its best (like you say) to hunt a newer 1.9 120 or 1.6 120. I think the 1.9's were made upto an 09 plate??

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1.9 was only until early/mid 2008, any later 1.9's are ones which have been sitting unregistered out the back of dealers etc I believe.

1.6 is only £30 RFL, 1.9 is £100+ I believe. That makes a big difference even over only a few years.

Tad-bravo said:

Even the 1.6 120 is no match for the 1.9.

The 1.6 is weaker

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Weaker in what respect

Most Easterly Pandas said:

1.9 was only until early/mid 2008, any later 1.9's are ones which have been sitting unregistered out the back of dealers etc I believe.

1.6 is only £30 RFL, 1.9 is £100+ I believe. That makes a big difference even over only a few years.



Weaker in what respect

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We used to own a 1.6 120 fiat so I had plenty of time to compare them.

The 1.6 is weaker, slower to respond and the gearbox is not as good.

Keep in mind also that the 1.9 120 in reality has more than 120 bhp. it's closer to 130 bhp in stock form.

We also used to own a GP sport with the 1.9 multijet 16v (the kind in the 150bhp bravos) with the 6 speed gearbox, and that was quick but the gearbox really is not as good as the good old 1.9 120 bravo.

Edit: For the story, we also currently own a fiat Freemont with the 2.0 multijet 170bhp and automatic gearbox. So I pretty much know all types of multijets

I think 'weaker' means less torquey, less pulling power. I've noticed Lots of foreign people using the term to describe the power of an engine. The 1.9 has torque low down, primarily because of its displacement and the fact that it has only eight valves. The 1.6 spins much more quickly though, and the 120 has plenty of torque, and that is very accessible too. Certainly the old 1.9 gearbox was very strong and felt well-oiled, but the 1.6 gearbox can be very precise and quick acting, even if there is always a slight grittiness into second from first. The 1.6 is lighter and more nimble I think, at least in a lighter car where the lack of weight reduces the nose-heaviness of the 1.9.

I've driven a 1.6 105 Bravo and thought it was pretty good. I didn't drive them back to back, but I thought below 3000rpm there wasn't much difference against my 1.9 150. One thing I did notice was that the power tails off quickly after 3000rpm, I suppose explaining why it has relatively high max torque but low bhp. All in all I thought it was a good engine.

Many thanks for the advice Im not technically knowledgable as you can probably guess!! This Re-mapping thing, what does it entail? JCS Fiat Kegworth are advertising it, isnt it classed as a modification? would i have to contact the Insurance Company?

They want £200 for their troubles. Again, thanks for any replies.

A remap gets you more power, more torque and slightly better fuel economy.

£200 is a decent price if they're good and if the dyno runs are included.

I don't think you have anything to declare to the insurance as it's an invisible mod.

Tad-bravo said:

A remap gets you more power, more torque and slightly better fuel economy.

£200 is a decent price if they're good and if the dyno runs are included.

I don't think you have anything to declare to the insurance as it's an invisible mod.

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You must declare else your insurance will be void.

insurance has no way of finding out whether you've remapped or not. And why would that even concern them? Your engine is still the same with no added parts or value.

If you're paranoid, you can even tell the remapper to not sign the remap in the ecu software then there's no way of detecting a remap even by reading the map.

You are increasing the performance of the vehicle, therefore you should declare the modification. I'm not saying everyone does, as like you say it is mostly undetectable. However, should you have reason to claim, the insurance company would have a reason to decline should they find out about the remap.

RBCLee said:

isnt it classed as a modification? would i have to contact the Insurance Company?

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YEs and Yes.

Tad-bravo said:

I don't think you have anything to declare to the insurance as it's an invisible mod.

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You do in the UK.

deebo007 said:

You must declare else your insurance will be void.

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:yeah that: Basically

Tad-bravo said:

insurance has no way of finding out whether you've remapped or not. And why would that even concern them?

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Yes they do have ways of finding out, and they will go out of their way to find out if it means it can save them a few hundred thousand quid on large claim! Its a concern to them because suddenly your car is more powerful and a different risk to them!