Hi all. I currently own a fiat bravo t-jet 120. I am considering getting the automatic dualogic model. Can anyone give me an indication of what its like. I have never driven one.

Is the gearbox smooth?

Are the gear ratios well set out?

Is it a 6 speed auto box?

Any info greatly appreciated. I cant seem to find any video reviews in english on the internet

thanks

I would suggest the best person to ask is Most Easterly Pandas (MEP) who has a dualogic Bravo.

He will no doubt be along shortly.

Regards


Trev

thanks trev

Whilst we await MEP might I comment.
I have had a 2010 year 120 Multijet ~Dualogic for about 6 months and overall am pleased with it. Didn't intend to buy one but seemed a good car at good price.
Gear changes are okay apart from changing up in lower gears when it tends to change up early and loose speed whilst changing making it not as smooth as a manual.
Gear ratio spacing is okay and you have the option of using the economy setting to change into higher gears earlier although this does blunt the performance from a standstill. Kick down works as well as a normal auto.
The semi auto mode is fine for normal driving but I tend to use manual sometimes for more"spirited" driving.
The box can catch you out if slowing down to almost a standstill - you put your foot down just as the box decides to drop into 1st and there's a delay before moving.
The only problem I have had is the brake pedal switch going out of adjustment and I seem to have cured that with a little bit of adjustment and a stop to prevent the brake pedal lifting too high.
Lots more shorter journeys than anticipated when I bought the car but averaging about 50mpg.
Of course this is based on one car only. See what MEP has to say.
Good luck

Sorry, forgot to say:
Yes it's 6 speed.

My daughter has a dualogic panda not sure how the box compares with a bravo but I find it a bit cranky, very economical though no penalty over a normal box unlike conventional autos but not sure I would choose it over a manual or proper auto

Hi I have dualogic almost 2 years.
No problems so far. the box is based on M32 and Selespeed CFC 300 (the same Alfa 159 has).
I'm very pleased.
My Bravo has ~300NM for 4 month with no special problems.

Go for it.

Good luck.

Hello OP, I can only comment on my 1.6 JTDM, so not sure if the petrol will drive any differently.

It's a 6 speed, and very refined in comparison to the Dualogic 5 speed boxes on the Panda, 500 and Punto.

Only thing I can concur with above it the ocassional jump into 1st, but never find it catches me out tbh.

No issue with gear changes higher up the range, even when driven in Eco mode 95% of the time. Smooth changes, and great even power delivery through out the gear range in Eco mode, I find out of Eco delays the gear changes far too long, ok if in footdown mode, but if more of an Eco driver Eco is when yo want to be except when having a spirited drive.

Just a word of warning though, the far superior Dualogic in the Bravo does come at a cost, and that the cost of parts and complexity. I was unfortunate enough to have the hydraulic clutch master cylinder (not fitted in the 5 speed boxes) fail, £713 just for the part, totalling £1400 in total, 7 weeks for main dealer to sort, a catalogue of errors on their part, and an ongoing fault currently with the car ocassionally not going into reverse.

Other than that love the car, and gearbox

My advise is test drive and see for yourself what you think of it, as it's not everyone's cup of tea, but the fuel economy improvement over a conventional automatic is massive

rossocorsa said:

My daughter has a dualogic panda not sure how the box compares with a bravo but I find it a bit cranky, very economical though no penalty over a normal box unlike conventional autos but not sure I would choose it over a manual or proper auto

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Panda Dualogic box is rubbish in comparison the the Bravos for driveablity, the Bravo's setup is far superior, although as a result a lot more complex and specialist to work on. Using our Panda Dualogic in comparison to the Bravo is cringeworthy

Graf said:

Hi I have dualogic almost 2 years.
No problems so far. the box is based on M32 and Selespeed CFC 300 (the same Alfa 159 has).
I'm very pleased.
My Bravo has ~300NM for 4 month with no special problems.

Go for it.

Good luck.

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Where did you get the info about it being based upon the M32 gearbox? When I last checked it wasn't.

I checked with my mechanic.
He checked internal FIAT web site for the mechanics.
It says M32 for 120 Dualogic.

whitetjet said:

Hi all. I currently own a fiat bravo t-jet 120. I am considering getting the automatic dualogic model. Can anyone give me an indication of what its like. I have never driven one.

Is the gearbox smooth?

Are the gear ratios well set out?

Is it a 6 speed auto box?

Any info greatly appreciated. I cant seem to find any video reviews in english on the internet

thanks

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I've had my 120 t-jet dualogic Bravo for 3.5 years now so here's my two cents:

Well I have to begin by explaining what this transmission is just in case you don't know. This is a 100% manual transmission, with the addition of an electro-hydraulic control unit that does the gear shifting for you. You could call it the father of the dual clutch transmission basically. In all cases, it shouldn't really be called outright an automatic transmission. What you do get here that you'll never get in an automatic transmission, or a dual clutch, is a very high mechanical efficiency, which simply translates into great fuel economy.

Being a manual transmission in heart, you'll probably feel it when the transmission is shifting, especially between 1st and 2nd gear. There's even an indicator which points out which gear you're currently in. Of course, behaving just like a manual transmission could either attract you or deter you from driving this transmission, depending on your preference. In all cases, it's consistent and the ratios are well spread. And yes, the one in the bravo is a 6-speed.

You could drive the dualogic in fully automatic mode or a sequential mode. Even in automatic mode, however, you could do an upshift or downshift and the system will then go back to automatic mode, which is pretty useful. I personally drive in Eco-mode all the time so I frequently have to downshift to overcome the turbo lag. Eco-mode basically performs upshifts at early RPMs for the sake of fuel economy. You could still rev the engine hard, but the car will return to early upshifting once you stop doing so.

This transmission is great in ANY driving condition except one: stop and go traffic. I don't mean city driving , I specifically mean long, endless traffic jams. In this case you could have the odd judder (rare), and you could burn the clutch if you keep the car from rolling back by pressing the throttle (just like a manual). Otherwise it's too engaging for me to dislike, but again its a personal preference.

Sorry for the terribly long post but rarely is this transmission even mentioned around this forum

KHALED25 said:

In all cases, it shouldn't really be called outright an automatic transmission.

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Well yes it should - an automatic is a vehicle which automatically changes gear with no driver input - which a dualogic does.

Most Easterly Pandas said:

Well yes it should - an automatic is a vehicle which automatically changes gear with no driver input - which a dualogic does.

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You're partly correct. The technical name for this transmission however is an Automated Manual transmission . In all cases, however, you shouldn't expect it drive like an automatic because it most certainly doesn't .

KHALED25 said:

You're partly correct.

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No I am correct. Next you'll be telling me CVT gearboxes are not automatics also

Define what an 'automatic' is.....its as I've said above, a gearbox which controls / changes gears without driver input - the fact its an electronically controlled manual box is irreverent.

They drive differently, as you quite rightly say, but they're still an automatic. If they weren't then people in the UK with automatic only licenses wouldn't be able to drive them.

Most Easterly Pandas said:

No I am correct. Next you'll be telling me CVT gearboxes are not automatics also

Define what an 'automatic' is.....its as I've said above, a gearbox which controls / changes gears without driver input - the fact its an electronically controlled manual box is irreverent.

They drive differently, as you quite rightly say, but they're still an automatic. If they weren't then people in the UK with automatic only licenses wouldn't be able to drive them.

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We're not really going anywhere with this . What I initially posted was my own personal review of the dualogic. My intention was to try to explain what this transmission is to the OP, regardless of you or me will eventually call it.

I guess you're both right - it's an auto as you don't change gear manually but I believe Fiat describe it as a "robotised manual gearbox".
Yes, for license purposes it's an automatic due to lack of clutch pedal but the basis is a manual gearbox unlike a normal automatic or CVT.
Lets stay friends because we all seem to like Dualogic whatever we call it.

Decro said:

I guess you're both right - it's an auto as you don't change gear manually but I believe Fiat describe it as a "robotised manual gearbox".
Yes, for license purposes it's an automatic due to lack of clutch pedal but the basis is a manual gearbox unlike a normal automatic or CVT.
Lets stay friends because we all seem to like Dualogic whatever we call it.

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I think another aspect that makes this transmission even more unique is the gear selector. Anyone who hasn't been in a Bravo before asks me whether this is an auto or a manual. The only car I know that has a similar transmission (and gear selector) was the previous generation Astra and Vectra, but that one was downright terrible.

thanks for all advice guys. most helpful

Is this the same gearbox as used in the Chrysler Delta Automatic? If so has anyone driven one?

Hi,
I have a Lancia Delta with 1.6 Multijet 120 (fiat engine) (200.000 km) and a selectronic gearbox (very similar to dualogic or selespeed) Can I ask you for your advise:
The system is running fine but I have had a small leak somewhere from the selectonic unit for about 2 years. I have replaced the oil in the selespeed and the gearbox about 2 years ago.

1. Is it normal that when I open the car through passenger door and check the selespeed oil level it is right to the top of the container, well above the maximum level. But as soon as the pump is activated the level drops well below the minimum level...

2.The pressure in my system is between 35-40 bars. I heard it is meant to be lower than in Alfas, but does anyone know if it is acceptable?
Thanks a lot for your advice,
Artur
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