Just been looking at the current choice of Bravo models on Fiat's website, as mine is a company car and will reach it's mileage limit in the next 6-8 months...

What the farkin' 'ell has happened? When I ordered mine you could go for just about any engine in any trim level (although of course they didn't bother listing top engine with bottom trim or vice versa).

Now it seems you can only have the big diesel in Sport trim; if you want a diesel Dynamic it's either the 105bhp 1.6 with a manual 'box or the 120bhp coupled to a Dualogic. And the 150bhp T-jet has disappeared completely!

This makes things awkward for me, as I'd hoped to just replace my car pretty much like-for-like with a 2.0 Dynamic, but if it doesn't exist... Sport is no good as it lacks a lot of the luxury features of the Dynamic (e.g. dual-zone climate control) and also costs a lot more on the company car scheme than the Dynamic would have cost back when it still existed! And I don't much fancy downgrading to a 120bhp or 105bhp motor either.

Sooo... is this just a temporary measure until Fiat have released the facelifted Bravo, or will it never again be possible to have the top-spec Bravo with the beefiest engine? (If this is the case then I may have to turn to the dark side to get the desired combination of potent diesel engine + all the toys on a sensibly-priced deal... and I do mean dark... how dark? "Four rings" dark )

Try the Doblo. Fiat thinks it is being clever leading punters towards the top model, even though they only want a certain number of the features, and the car is anyway overpriced.

And how about offering any large car like this with only an one NA petrol engine, with 100hp :bang:, when they have a more powerful, more economical 135 Twinair on the books which would provide safe performance and better economy

Sales of course reveal the public disillusion and incomprehension: but try getting Fiat to see it.

The Qubo is the same, crying out for the right engine combo.

I'll give the company until the end of the year to sort this chronic engine mismatch out, after that I fear Fiat will be in real trouble, here at least.

Ulpian said:

I'll give the company until the end of the year to sort this chronic engine mismatch out, after that I fear Fiat will be in real trouble, here at least.

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To be fair if it sells they will sell it, if the options are not there then they wont be selling and hence be dropped. They are a company out to make money.

If you think thats bad there is no diesel available in the Honda Civic now, no diesel at all!

My point is that if it doesn't sell they keep on marketing it, even when they have potentially better options.

It is a company habit to introduce new cars with stupid engine options, and nothing has changed. As for the trim options; same story, whoever decides on the details should be sacked.

Is that just what's on the website?

You could still buy a Croma from the dealers until last year, despite them being removed from general sale in 2006.

Know what you mean.

But no. It's the fact that so many available models have pants engine/trim combos.

Hellcat said:

Is that just what's on the website?

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Not just the website; our company car list has all the UK car pool (within 160g/km CO2 and sensible prices i.e. BMW 520d or below) and the Bravos on the list are the ones on the Fiat website

What a silly idea, to not offer the top trim level with the top engine (OK, some may argue Sport is the top, but Dynamic has always been the "luxury" variant, a bit like Ghia is to Ford).

Hopefully either Fiat will sort this out in the next few months, or Alfa Giuliettas will become cheaper to lease; otherwise who know what I'll end up being stuck with? :yuck:

JonnyBoy said:

Not just the website; our company car list has all the UK car pool (within 160g/km CO2 and sensible prices i.e. BMW 520d or below) and the Bravos on the list are the ones on the Fiat website

What a silly idea, to not offer the top trim level with the top engine (OK, some may argue Sport is the top, but Dynamic has always been the "luxury" variant, a bit like Ghia is to Ford).

Hopefully either Fiat will sort this out in the next few months, or Alfa Giuliettas will become cheaper to lease; otherwise who know what I'll end up being stuck with? :yuck:

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Not sure about others, I always think the sport is the top model as it was more expensive (at least when I bought mine in 2008) than dynamic and almost everything on the dynamic you can purchase it as an option. (except front armrest, what a stupid idea!!!!)

JonnyBoy said:

What on earth has happened to the UK Bravo model range?

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Posted almost 2 months ago:

Bravo Range Update and Price Increase

Scrogg said:

Posted almost 2 months ago:

Bravo Range Update and Price Increase

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Doh, missed that. Ta for the info

Not good news for me though; the low-powered Bravos just don't appeal, and neither does paying £££lots to lease a Sport with less luxuries.

Probably won't be having another Bravo, then - much as I like the Bravo, my required combination of luxury and a potent diesel for a sensible price now leads me toward those common-as-muck A3s

i wouldn't be suprised if they had production capacity restrictions on the TJet engines and they were being rationed to the more profitable markets and marques (e.g. Abarth)

roll on the MultiAir engines! 170 bhp as standard yum!

cardinalbiggles said:

If you think thats bad there is no diesel available in the Honda Civic now, no diesel at all!

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Brilliant news - diesels are brilliant for doing high mileage and I certainly wouldn't want to do big mileage in a new Civic as the ride is horrible.

Not so good news is the recent deaths of the engines in the Focus ST, Civic Type R and to a smaller extent the Astra VXR.

Peerzy said:

Brilliant news - diesels are brilliant for doing high mileage and I certainly wouldn't want to do big mileage in a new Civic as the ride is horrible.

Not so good news is the recent deaths of the engines in the Focus ST, Civic Type R and to a smaller extent the Astra VXR.

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They needed to go, smaller and more efficient is the way to go with less nastys going into the atmosphere.

We all have to live on the same planet!

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They needed to go, smaller and more efficient is the way to go with less nastys going into the atmosphere.

We all have to live on the same planet!

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The planet will outlive me, therefor I don't really care

I'll live without the Astra VXR engine, the Volvo 2.5T in the Focus is a brillaint engine however and the loss of the 2.0 Honda engine is a nightmare as it means the sucessor to the S2000 is likely to be some stupid eco crud.

Fiat Press Release

140 HP Fiat Bravo 1.4 MultiAir Turbo Start&Stop Euro 5

The 140 HP 1.4 MultiAir Turbo Euro 5 with Start&Stop as standard is one of the best petrol engines in the world in terms of its emission/power ratio (just 132 g/km over a combined cycle). It is also the best in its class in terms of fuel consumption and torque availability within the relevant power band: 5.7 l/100 km over a combined cycle and maximum torque of 230 Nm at 1750 rpm.

More specifically, MultiAir technology marked a departure from the normal petrol engine scenario, a genuine generational leap. Suffice it to say thatcompared to a conventional petrol engine of equivalent size, a MultiAir engine develops more power (up to 10%) and torque (up to 15%), while consuming significantly less fuel (up to 10%) and emitting less CO2 (up to 10%). The true spirit of MultiAir is encapsulated in the new electrohydraulic valve management system. Fuel consumption and polluting emissions are reduced by controlling air directly via the engine intake valves, without using the throttle.

The 140 HP 1.4 MultiAir Turbo engine fitted to the Bravo therefore guarantees an increase in power and torque at low speeds and also a reduction in fuel consumption and emissions, due partly to the adoption of a Start&Stop system that temporarily turns off the engine when the car is at a standstill. The 140 HP 1.4 MultiAir Turbo it is also paired with a new 6-speed manual gearbox that offers greater driving satisfaction due to faster, slicker gearshifts. In brief, the new engine ensures top-class eco-friendliness (it is Euro 5 type-approved) without compromising on performance and driving pleasure. That's not all. For an even more dynamic driving experience, the Sport function can be selected by pressing a button - exclusive to the Sport trim level - to change throttle response and steering settings.

Last but not least, to coincide with the debut of the new MultiAir engine, the Fiat Bravo range offers an additional new feature: the introduction of the 120 HP 1.4 T-Jet Euro 5, which reduces CO2 emissions from 149 to 146 g/km compared to the corresponding Euro 4 power unit.

With the introduction of the 140 HP 1.4 MultiAir and the 120 HP 1.4 T-Jet Euro 5, the petrol range of the Fiat Bravo is therefore entirely made up of Euro 5 engines, confirming the winning attributes of this model. The Fiat Bravo has always been particularly appreciated by the public for its state-of-the-art technology, performance and engines. It stands out as an innovative car that offers a high level of driving satisfaction with low fuel consumption and respect for the environment.

http://www.fiatgroupautomobilespres...oup=1&method=cartelle&action=article&id=11036

Was that Fiat saying that a Multiair Bravo is coming to the UK, or just a general statement regarding Multiair?

JTD_Liam said:

Was that Fiat saying that a Multiair Bravo is coming to the UK, or just a general statement regarding Multiair?

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It is a european press release for the Paris Motorshow

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It is a european press release for the Paris Motorshow

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That's annoying. Could potentially exclude the UK

I think adding a new engine like Multiair & coupling it with a fresh ad campaign could really help to boost sales abit.

JTD_Liam said:

Was that Fiat saying that a Multiair Bravo is coming to the UK, or just a general statement regarding Multiair?

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RobW said:

It is a european press release for the Paris Motorshow

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JTD_Liam said:

That's annoying. Could potentially exclude the UK

I think adding a new engine like Multiair & coupling it with a fresh ad campaign could really help to boost sales abit.

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When FGAUK announced the most recent 'streamlining' of the Bravo range back in June (when I posted this thread) there was a note at tthe bottom of the letter saying:

The new MultiAir engine will join the Bravo range during Quarter 3

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Q3 finishes in 15 days, so I would expect some sort of announcement shortly...

Scrogg said:

When FGAUK announced the most recent 'streamlining' of the Bravo range back in June (when I posted this thread) there was a note at tthe bottom of the letter saying:

"The new MultiAir engine will join the Bravo range during Quarter 3"

Q3 finishes in 15 days, so I would expect some sort of announcement shortly...

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Christ knows how i missed it when i read the link you originally attached, in bold writing & all

Anyway that's very good news as i was worried they were slowly giving up on the Bravo. Looking at how most sales of the Punto Evo (at least on this website) are Multiair, it could help the Bravo no end.