General New OE Alarm Blue Keyfob - How to Make it Work?

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General New OE Alarm Blue Keyfob - How to Make it Work?

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Basically i was wondering if its possible to add a OE New Fiat Bravo Alarm Blue Key into the existing system. The car is a 2001 Bravo HLX with standard alarm. Now the new key will come with a four digit code for the alarm.

1/ I know i can't add new keys to the system by pressing the button in the courtesy light and pressing the button on the fob as the alarm system is locked. It just refuses to accept the fob.

2/ To unlock the alarm system you need the 4 digit code of a key already in the system. I have the code card for my Bravo but no 4 digit codes as the MK2's had them supplied with them upon purchase. Which is understandable as i have a spare blue key with a four digit code on it still. But doesn't work the alarm. The working key has no four digit code with it sadly.

3/ I know how to enter each digit into the ceiling light for the alarm code but i keep getting refused.

So i was wondering is there any other way i can do it? Cheaply. I know a new virgin alarm receiver will let me add new alarm key codes. But they cost £250.

Can Timpsons clone my Blue key with the alarm aswell?
 
a key does not have a 4 digit code. you dont need the code from an existing key, as there isnt one. you car's alarm has a 4 digit code, and it doesnt change no matter what key you use.
you cant program new or old remotes without the alarm's code. the code is on 2 paper stickers attached to the red key keyring when new (along with 2 alarm master keys). if the code is missing you can get a copy from your fiat dealer (£10).
 
jug said:
a key does not have a 4 digit code. you dont need the code from an existing key, as there isnt one. you car's alarm has a 4 digit code, and it doesnt change no matter what key you use.
you cant program new or old remotes without the alarm's code. the code is on 2 paper stickers attached to the red key keyring when new (along with 2 alarm master keys). if the code is missing you can get a copy from your fiat dealer (£10).

Hey Jug.

Each new Key with incorporated alarm button comes with a 4 digit code which is required to authorise with your existing alarm.

According to the Fiat Workshop Manuals, the sytem autolocks itself after x amount of activation and deactivation of the alarm, meaning no more keys can be allowed unless you unlock it with one of the original keys alarm code.

On the Mk2 from new the Alarm Fob Codes where issued with the keys. On the Mk1's they kept them on a security register and where never given to the owner from new. The ISR do not have the alarm codes for the MK2 as they where given to the owners. The ISR does have the alarm codes for MK1's. I have contacted Fiat and got all the codes and emergency start code and key codes to have new keys cut for my car, but no Alarm codes where there.

So back to the original question is there any cheap way to key a working key fob alarm. Can timpsons clone it?
 
i have a mk1 and i got the alarm code with the car, its the original paper sticker from new. using that 4 digit code i've successfully programmed several remotes into my alarm without having any remote key code. i've never even heard of remote key codes before. all i have is a 4 digit alarm code, and with that i can program any remote into my alarm. i've tried it using second hand keys and keys from other cars. they work fine. both mk1 and mk2 had the exact same alarm system, i've used mk2 keys before with no probs. so i'm confused now? have you asked your dealer for your car's alarm code, using your VIN number to get it?
 
Yeah i asked Fiat basically for my code card. They gave me a number to start the car incase of a emergency, also a number so i can get duplicate keys and a radio code. Nothing else.

I dont have a code for the alarm, specifically for the alarm.

All i have is one new key with immobilisor chip and alarm button that i want to add to the system. The key starts the car but no alarm. The key has a 4 digit code attached. I.e 1.2.3.4

I have no code for the alarm itself.

Let me get this write Jug, you have

1/ A 4 digit code for the alarm.

2/ You press the button in the ceiling light and press the button to the appropiate number of flashes according to this 4 digit code for the alarm.

3/ You then get any key with the alarm on it whether new or used from a written off Bravo or MK1/MK2 and press the alarm button on it.

4/ The light shows its accepted.

5/ Job done?

Or

Is it done another way? So is it possible for a old used key to work without its code?

I assume the code you have for the alarm is a code from one of your keys that opens the alarm to accept new keys and to add a new key you press the button on the new key. The code on the new key isn't required unless that key is added to the system and can also be used the same as the code you have to add more alarm fobs.
 
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JoskeJTD said:
Let me get this write Jug, you have

1/ A 4 digit code for the alarm.

2/ You press the button in the ceiling light and press the button to the appropiate number of flashes according to this 4 digit code for the alarm.

3/ You then get any key with the alarm on it whether new or used from a written off Bravo or MK1/MK2 and press the alarm button on it.

4/ The light shows its accepted.

5/ Job done?

exactly (y)


JoskeJTD said:
So is it possible for a old used key to work without its code?
as far as i'm aware a key doesnt have a code, but yes an old key will work.

JoskeJTD said:
I assume the code you have for the alarm is a code from one of your keys that opens the alarm to accept new keys and to add a new key you press the button on the new key. The code on the new key isn't required unless that key is added to the system and can also be used the same as the code you have to add more alarm fobs.
no my code isnt from one of my keys, the code i use isnt from any key, its just the alarm code.
imagine if you buy a brand new alarm from fiat. it wont come with a remote key, only a code. you then use that code to program any remote key into the alarm. so if you had a total alarm failure on your car you could replace the alarm and still use all your original remote keys with the new alarm.
think of the alarm code purely as an unlocking device to put the alarm system into learning mode.

i would ask fiat for your alarm code and explain why you need it. if they say they cant get it then you are stuck. :(
(unless you replace your alarm with one from another car with a known code)
 
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according to that pdf: " if the memory is closed further remote control codes can only be entered after the memory has been opened with one of the codes of the keys memorised in the reciever."

which suggests each remote key will have a seperate 4 digit code, and for the alarm to learn a new remote key you will need to enter an old 4 digit key code first.

lets assume the 4 digit code i have (what i call my 'alarm code') is actually the 'key code' for one of my existing remote keys. in that case the programming would still work exactly as i have said, which is a good thing because it does work, but it means i was wrong and the code i have is from one of my keys, and not for the alarm. plus i've never bought a new key to know each key should have a code, and never had a problem programming keys without a key code because you dont even need it, only one of your old key codes is used. thats all possible.

so my alarm code is actually just a key code from one of my 2 original remote keys.

buy if thats true why do i have 2 copies of that code on sticky paper (pdf suggest 1 copy on plastic), and why are they with the red key that has no remote? why dont i have 2 key codes, because there are 2 remote keys so surely if each key has a seperate code i should have 2? my 2 keys cant be 2 copies of the same key, because the rolling code would mean only one remote worked as soon as one was used if the alarm saw them as one key with only one code. plus, i doubt only one of the codes would go missing, and both copies of it, but nothing else went missing from my car's stuff. all the codes have been kept together since new nice and safe, so whats the chance that both copies of my second key code could go missing but nothing else?

either way it makes little difference to me because i have a working code and it allows me to program any remote into my car (up to 8 at a time).
BUT, if the key code theory from that pdf is correct, if i was to teach my alarm 8 new keys, and i didnt have the key codes for any of them, then in theory the code i've been using would no longer work because the key it belongs to would no longer be in the alarm's memory. trying this is the only way i can be sure of the way the code system works. personally i doubt i'd get locked out, but i'm not going to take that chance now that i've read the pdf.

but back to the point, how does this affect you? assuming the 'key code' theory is correct it means you cant program a new remote key into your alarm using the key code that comes with a new key. it also means you need the key code from any currently working remote key to be able to program a remote key into your alarm. so basically you are stuffed unless you can get a key code from one of your working keys. and the new key code is completely pointless unless you intend to memorise more than 8 keys into your alarm AND you dont know the code from any of those keys except the new one.

personally i'm very suspicious of the whole 'key code' theory. if its true why dont i have plastic keyrings with codes for each key as shown in the pdf? why does the paper sticker code work on my alarm? why do i have 2 copies of it? where's my second code?

my head hurts :( :confused:
 
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actually what you can do is buy a remote receiver and the remote and key code from a car that someone is breaking, and then fit it to your car and use the code to program any remotes. the codes are stored in the receiver memory and any reciever will work on any car's alarm. so if you get stuck with no working remotes its not hard to sort the job out, but finding a car to take all the matching bits from wont be as easy.
 
Yeah looks like im stuffed Lol. No chance of getting the old 4 digit code. Well i'll keep a look out on Ebay for a New receiver (Ceiling Light), as they are as standard open to accept keyfobs. By pressing the button in the receiver followed by the alarm button. No need for a 4 digit code.

Thanks for the help. Just going off topic but i have just read you want a LHD rear light? Now i maybe, big 'Maybe' able to get one but how much are you willing to pay for it? Do you need both or just one? ANy particular side?
 
Hey Jug i will see what i can do. My folks have just gone to Poland and i'm also wanting a Euro Rear Light so i'm gonna see how much they can get one for.

So far a Brand New one is £36 then postage to UK will be on top. 2nd Hand ones aren't that much cheaper. I'll find out and get back to you. Thinking about it aren't MK2 rear lights a shade darker than MK1.

I cant promise anything but i will find out a price.
 
are mk2 lights darker? :eek:

cant believe i never noticed that!!

well it doesnt really matter because i can easily get a mk2 light for £5 at a scrappy to match a LHD mk2 light. (y)
 
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