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Old 04-11-2017   #1
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Post New Brava owner with a few questions

Hello everyone!

Just last week I got myself a '99 Brava 1.2 16v and I'm as happy as a pig in... well, you know what! I've been reading up on quite a few topics here and it seems to me this forum is a godsent!

Still, I have a few questions/small problems, if you could indulge me.

First off, the fog light switch. It works, as in, if pressed, it will turn the fog lights on, however the lights do not stay on unless the button's being pressed. If you press and let go, the lights will flicker momentarily and then be off.
I doubt this is a common problem but I'd appreciate any help. I'm stumped because obviously the relays are working and the switch does... well, half of what it's supposed to do! Could it just be a wrong switch? It is evident that the PO's did... stuff to the car but the switches and panels seem stock.

Next up, the rims. PO installed 15's. Which is all fine and dandy looks wise but I do think the 195/50/15's do slow the car down a bit. Now I do like the rims but, since a tyre change is needed at some point in the near future, should I just get four metal (like the stock ones) 14's and call it a day with the stock 175/65/14 tyres or are the ones on it fine and I'm imagining things?

On to another thing. I'm not used to driving a smaller engined car to be honest and it strikes me as kind of odd that the car needs to be revved that high to... "go", and I also find the 800RPM idle a bit low. Is this normal or should I be worried?
In reference, I used to drive a grand vitara (awful car, really), which was obviously really different and, while quite sluggish with it's 1.6 engine and it's immoveable 1.8 tonne mass, it was still a bit peppier than the MUCH lighter Brava.

That's all for now, and please excuse my long winded first post!
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Re: New Brava owner with a few questions

Welcome to the fold...

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The 1242cc 16V SuperFIRE has barely enough torque to move the Punto Sporting the Brava weighs a fair bit more. There are a few things you can do to get more bhp but for torque you'll need more capacity. The 1.4 16V SuperFIRE from later model Puntos, Ideas and other models are a shoe in but have fly by wire throttle bodies. The cable body from the 1242 should fit. With Panda 100hp cam's and other bits and bobs your Bravo should be as quick as my Bravo HLX.
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Re: New Brava owner with a few questions

Thanks man, nice to be in the fold!

I'm not too bothered by a relatively slow car (bhp-wise), as long as it can haul me and family uphill I'm fine with revving it a bit more. I do like speed but I'm far from a boy racer and dropping another engine in it is right at the bottom of my to-do list right now, considering the cost of such an endeavor. Torque I would like another helping of but apart from a motor swap there's probably very little I can do. Perhaps a six speed box from a sporting might work, I'm not sure.

In any case, I was just wondering whether it was normal, and it seems it is. Oh well, no worries.
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Re: New Brava owner with a few questions

Hello, and welcome,
the fog light uses a latching on/off switch, it should click and stay on, then push again, click and off.
sounds like the switch latch mechanism is dead, removing the central dash is no mean feat, it's simple, but very fiddly, with lots of hidden screws to frustrate you.
https://www.fiatforum.com/bravo-brav...a-1-6-16v.html
this guide should help you out somewhat.
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Re: New Brava owner with a few questions

Thank you franglais! Looking at the topic you posted, it's just a matter of unscrewing two bolts to get to the switch, so, easy enough. Easier than unclogging (unsuccesfully, for now) the washer pump!
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Hi. And welcome to FF.

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Re: New Brava owner with a few questions

Hello and thank you!

I'm in Greece.

And right now I'm desperately (and so far unsuccessfully!) trying to swap my huuuge rims for a set of 14's!
For God's sake, who in his right mind would put 8 inch wide 15's on a 1.2?!?
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Re: New Brava owner with a few questions

Hey guys, got another one for you.

I have grind when going into second, mainly shifting -down- into second. It's not rev-related but evidently, if I try driving more briskly and change gears faster, the grind is much more likely to happen. The gear engages fine and I get no grind while moving, just shifting. Also, first is kinda hard to engage but I've seen similar things in different cars. I only had first gear grind once. The rest of the gears shift smoothly.

My method so far is to fully depress the clutch pedal and find juuuuuust the right spot so I don't have any grind, but this granny shifting is kinda getting on my nerves, to be honest and is downright dangerous in situation where I have to get a move on fast.

Extra info: the gearbox's supposedly changed... PO's words. Highly doubt it, considering the situation.

Any ideas? Is this gonna be a bank-breaking thing? Because, along with the wheels, it'll be nearing what I paid for the car!
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Re: New Brava owner with a few questions

Maybe look at the clutch adjustment..

Would be cheap .. simple thing to rule out..
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Maybe look at the clutch adjustment..

Would be cheap .. simple thing to rule out..
Isn't there a hydraulic clutch in the Brava? Does it still have adjustment bolt down over by the firewall?
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Isn't there a hydraulic clutch in the Brava? Does it still have adjustment bolt down over by the firewall?
Uk cars are RHD and have hydraulic clutch.. however..there are methods of adjusment
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Re: New Brava owner with a few questions

I can't for the life of me find where the clutch system sits. Bugger! Aaaand, upon opening the bonnet, I hear that unmistakeable "fssssh" of trapped air from the radiator fluid reservoir. Which is polymerised from all the years and I can't tell where the level sits, so I topped it up with de-ionized water, lacking paraflu for now.

Keeps getting better and better...
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I can't for the life of me find where the clutch system sits. Bugger! Aaaand, upon opening the bonnet, I hear that unmistakeable "fssssh" of trapped air from the radiator fluid reservoir. Which is polymerised from all the years and I can't tell where the level sits, so I topped it up with de-ionized water, lacking paraflu for now.

Keeps getting better and better...
clutch slave should be ON TOP of gearbox..



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Re: New Brava owner with a few questions

Indeed, in the meantime I managed to locate it through trial and error (read: internet searching and having my fiancee play with the clutch pedal!). All seems fine, levels are where they're supposed to be and I could detect no leaks whatsoever.
I still couldn't figure out a way to adjust it, though. Although I'd put most my eggs in the "worn disc" basket, to be honest. Perhaps a bearing, if I'm lucky, which I'm usually not.

As for Mr. James May, I am a fan of the man and TG and we do share a few qualities/quirks, hence the nickname (a TG inside joke) and the picture.

Many thanks again for all the help, greatly appreciated!
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Re: New Brava owner with a few questions

Welcome to the Forum and good luck with your Brava.

I love the engine in my 2001 1.2 Brava, I usually drive solo so I find the performance is great and it spins really freely with a nice sound... typical classic small-engined Fiat experience.

If you have good plugs and leads and nice clean oil then don't be afraid to thrash it to make progress, especially when loaded (yes it will notice extra passengers and luggage, mine definitely does).

As regards the clutch, assuming the LHD version is also hydraulic, look underneath the battery box and check the slave cylinder for leaks around the seals, in any case bleed out the old fluid and you may clear some bubbles that could explain the poor disengagement. Changing the slave is common, cheap and simple.

As for the wheels, you have plenty of choice from the Fiat range in 14" and 15"... as well as Brava/Bravo there is the Mk2 Punto, Marea, Doblo (I think) and even the Stilo. I have experience of steel 14" with 175/65 14 on my Tipo, also 14" alloys with 185/60 14 tyres and 15" alloys with 185/55 15.



For the Brava I find the 15" (6J) alloys look the best (standard on my Formula model) and the tyre sits really nicely on the rim, the best compromise for grip and efficiency IMO. But standard 175 14s on steelies are the cheapest and most efficient, especially if you buy decent tyres.

Your 195s are not excessively wide but the rims ARE... you will waste energy and loose performance spinning them up and slowing them down.

I'm currently running the 15" alloys on the Brava and 14" (Mk1 Brava) alloys on the Tipo with 185/60 Goodyear vector all-season tyres.
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